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post #11 of 36 Old 01-25-2015, 08:25 AM
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A horse that has kicked out like this one you posted about doesn't need to be set up to do it again - he will do it and harder each time.

I like the above video. The horse is not set up at all, it is normal behaviour for him. When he finds out that a stock whip across his backside hurts, he is only to willing to stand back.
The fact he is wary to move to the handler, is good, he is showing respect for the fact that a human can and will give him good cause to think where he stands in the pecking order.
The trainer rewards the standing back with a pat on the head and then leaves the horse to eat.

I would bet that within a week a toddler could go in to feed that horse and it would stand back!
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I liked the video, especially the crowding the gate. Even when I am just going out to the field to retrieve my horse I will not tolerate any horses crowding the gate. I want open space between me,my horse on the lead line, and the gate coming in or going out.

One of my pet peeves is watching people squeezing out a gate because horses will not move. I do not know why it bothers me since it is happening to them and not me......

I seem to be the only one at the barn that seems to have this need for open space. I'm also the only one that no longer has a gate crowding problem with the herd.
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post #13 of 36 Old 01-25-2015, 11:53 AM Thread Starter
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Unfortunately the net effect of everyone's responses is convince me I can't work safely at this rescue any longer. If I had beaned the horse with the bucket I almost certainly would be asked not to return by the owner. I have no control over the other volunteers behavior. I can't even get them to coil a hose or return a muck rake when they are finished.

The owner already resents some of my efforts to improve things. She scoffs at me coiling hoses and sweeping the barn. She scoffed initially when I went to rinse feed buckets out at the end of each shift. I think I've learned what good I can learn here and it makes no sense to put my life in danger for this place.

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post #14 of 36 Old 01-25-2015, 12:37 PM
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Sounds like the rescue is a disaster waiting to happen.

Your talents and work would be better used someplace where the management actually has some horse sense.
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This is a very good explanation of teaching a horse feed manners.

www.horseproblems.com.au - Dangers at Feed Time - YouTube
What I like most about this video is the point that once you've taught the horse to get out of your space while you feed, you stay out of his while he eats!
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Unfortunately the net effect of everyone's responses is convince me I can't work safely at this rescue any longer. If I had beaned the horse with the bucket I almost certainly would be asked not to return by the owner. I have no control over the other volunteers behavior. I can't even get them to coil a hose or return a muck rake when they are finished.

The owner already resents some of my efforts to improve things. She scoffs at me coiling hoses and sweeping the barn. She scoffed initially when I went to rinse feed buckets out at the end of each shift. I think I've learned what good I can learn here and it makes no sense to put my life in danger for this place.

Thanks for everyone's responses.
One of the things I like about your posts, Mark, is that you understand what is safe, what isn't and whether or not you can change certain things. I'm very strict about coiling hoses, rinsing feed buckets, scrubbing feed and water tubs and making the horses mind. The problem with many rescues is, while they mean well, they frequently have no real knowledge of the animal and misconstrue discipline with violence or abuse. You've actually surpassed the rescue in your horsemanship, either time to find a new venue to volunteer at or just take care of your own.

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there are so many rescues up here that would LOVE to have your dedication.
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This rescue is set up for failure. Sounds like any adopter is going to come home with a mannerless "I am BOSS" horse.

Now I would leave and leave the RO a very long letter describing why I left and how clueless everyone is. But thats just me.

Find a rescue that appreciates dedicated and educated people.
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Unfortunately the net effect of everyone's responses is convince me I can't work safely at this rescue any longer.
Unfortunate that it comes down to this, since rescues are in need of good dedicated workers. However, of course, YOUR safety comes first. It is too bad the owners don't see value in teaching their rescues manners. It would be beneficial for everyone.

As for not bothering horse while they eat, I generally agree with that, but there are times you have to. But if you instill good manners in your horse, this would not present a problem.
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Unfortunately Mark, there are to many people who think bad behaviour should be excused.
These people are not doing the horses any favours.
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