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post #31 of 55 Old 11-08-2017, 02:07 PM
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Mine are also within a perimeter fence, although I do use it to allow Carmen to graze around the back of the barn, which is not fenced, but only when I am home.
Were she to go through it, all she would do is eat on the lawn!
I don't need tall step in posts, as my horses don't have much inclination to jump.
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I am getting a full education on fencing from this thread! Right now we board, so whatever fence they have is what I will have to deal with. Luckily Duke is super respectful of fencing. I have seen him spook, and turn on a dime just to avoid the electric line fencing. Right now he has solid fencing at the front of his pasture and a mix of thine line and tape. The solid fencing does have one line running through it just to be on the safe side I suppose.

Our BO said that she will be replacing all of the solid fencing in between pastures with thick tape fencing. Apparently, 2 of the horses that are pasture neighbors keep kicking the boards out to spend time with one another. Since they are owned by the same person, they are going to be in a pasture together, so hopefully, no more board kicking. All of the horses have runs about 30'x120' attached to their stalls. So they can come and go as they please.

I will have to try to keep all of this in mind once we buy a house and take the horses "home". I am sure I will have to make or re-do pasture fencing at some point :)
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Been there done that , Almost dislocated my shoulder out of socket and broke my arm. Horse got caught in fence plastic step in posts and multiple strands of tape. I went out to try and get her out and got badly caught in the middle of it. I was trying to grab the fence to take it off the posts cause it was wound round her legs so tightly she just started spinning like mad panicing. Instinctively i grabbed the horse but also had the rope. The post pulled out the rope came out of it , horse is spinning and now the rope is tangled around my arm and the horses leg.

You could actually see my whole arm and shoulder was bruised and you could tell where the lines of wire were basically strangling - on the bruise on my arm. Horse was fine thankfully Id rather take the hit then her. That fence was used to divide an already big field. I will never use it again or any kind of electrical tape at leg level. It was so bad but it could've been so much worse. Lesson learned for me.

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Been there done that , Almost dislocated my shoulder out of socket and broke my arm. Horse got caught in fence plastic step in posts and multiple strands of tape. I went out to try and get her out and got badly caught in the middle of it. I was trying to grab the fence to take it off the posts cause it was wound round her legs so tightly she just started spinning like mad panicing. Instinctively i grabbed the horse but also had the rope. The post pulled out the rope came out of it , horse is spinning and now the rope is tangled around my arm and the horses leg.

You could actually see my whole arm and shoulder was bruised and you could tell where the lines of wire were basically strangling - on the bruise on my arm. Horse was fine thankfully Id rather take the hit then her. That fence was used to divide an already big field. I will never use it again or any kind of electrical tape at leg level. It was so bad but it could've been so much worse. Lesson learned for me.
Wow! Glad you and the horse ended up ok! I can only imagine how terrifying that was! I feel the same way. Not saying never again, but from now on, I'll be a lot more careful, and will only rope off very large areas to reduce the risk of a horse trying to get to the other side. I think the area I had roped off was too narrow (was trying to create a corridor to the back pasture, which is huge). I also think one of the step-ins and/or the electrobraid itself fell over. My horses never, ever test an electric fence so I don't think they would run into it. I think they thought it was down. There were two strands, but if the top one fell or was dragged down, the next one would have been about knee level. Low enough that they might not have realized it was there in the dark, but still easy to catch.

I do think this kind of temporary fencing can be useful, but I posted this party because I know that some people ONLY use step-ins as permanent fencing, and that seems so unsafe to me. It's different if you have perimeter fencing, or have solid posts between the step-ins. But I see rickety paddocks all the time around here that consist of step-ins and a single strand of rope.
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Wow! Glad you and the horse ended up ok! I can only imagine how terrifying that was! I feel the same way. Not saying never again, but from now on, I'll be a lot more careful, and will only rope off very large areas to reduce the risk of a horse trying to get to the other side. I think the area I had roped off was too narrow (was trying to create a corridor to the back pasture, which is huge). I also think one of the step-ins and/or the electrobraid itself fell over. My horses never, ever test an electric fence so I don't think they would run into it. I think they thought it was down. There were two strands, but if the top one fell or was dragged down, the next one would have been about knee level. Low enough that they might not have realized it was there in the dark, but still easy to catch.

I do think this kind of temporary fencing can be useful, but I posted this party because I know that some people ONLY use step-ins as permanent fencing, and that seems so unsafe to me. It's different if you have perimeter fencing, or have solid posts between the step-ins. But I see rickety paddocks all the time around here that consist of step-ins and a single strand of rope.
Oh yea there is still so many factors to be considered. A lot of it has to do with how cheeky your horse is. I had gotten away with that set up for years and nothin ever happened. Just takes that 1 time to scare the bejeezuz out of you for life lol. I too see so many sketchy set ups and wonder how their horses are contained let alone alive when mine would be long gone 😂.
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That fence was used to divide an already big field. I will never use it again or any kind of electrical tape at leg level.
Wow, does not sound fun at all! Wondering how high the "leg level" rope was.

I've been thinking about using tall step ins for a 50x50 temporary camping corral. Found 'stirrup stepins' that have the top strand 4.5" above the ground. That's about the height I have my current electric fence plus a second at 3' to discourage thoughts of going under.

For camping I'd use 8 placed every 25' with an opening to the trailer and guy ropes at the corners.

Here in Arizona stepins can be hard to get in the ground at times. I have used Premier 1 electrified netting in the past for a dog and used a portable drill with a long concrete bit in the hard ground in order to place the step in type post.

All said, if a horse get's frightened enough, they seem to attempt going through just about anything.
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Wow, does not sound fun at all! Wondering how high the "leg level" rope was.

I've been thinking about using tall step ins for a 50x50 temporary camping corral. Found 'stirrup stepins' that have the top strand 4.5" above the ground. That's about the height I have my current electric fence plus a second at 3' to discourage thoughts of going under.

For camping I'd use 8 placed every 25' with an opening to the trailer and guy ropes at the corners.

Here in Arizona stepins can be hard to get in the ground at times. I have used Premier 1 electrified netting in the past for a dog and used a portable drill with a long concrete bit in the hard ground in order to place the step in type post.

All said, if a horse get's frightened enough, they seem to attempt going through just about anything.
If you can get taller step-ins, they might be ok for a temporary set-up if you can keep an eye on them at all times. I would not leave them unsupervised.

My horses would never run in a fence, but I think the shorter step-ins (which are all they have around here - they're under 4 ft tall) are inadequate for a horse that might be tempted to jump, and because they are not solid, they can easily fall over if the ground is unstable. But if the ground is stable and you trust that the step-ins will hold, and if you are there to watch the horses, it would probably be ok with horses that are respectful of fences.
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If there were any reason to leave them unsupervised I'd put them in the trailer. And even supervised, I'd use my GPS SPOT on one horse. Done that in the past and it works really well. Can get a Google Earth image of exactly where they are with 10 minute updates.

Here is the one's I found online. http://www.kencove.com/fence/62%26qu...tail_RPPLS.php
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Wow, does not sound fun at all! Wondering how high the "leg level" rope was..
Those 3 ish foot step ins? The rope was on the highest "spot" that we were dealing with. However multiple strands were on the fence. Once the horse got away I just sat there and thought my arm was broken lol.
The horse in question is also a huge menace and regularly rolls INTO fences so I was not surprised at all to see her stuck there. That type of fencing just won't work for a horse that's always trying to challenge everything in life 😂.
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The thing about horses is that they have a gene which encourages them to injure themselves!

I have seen some horrendous injuries when they have broken through a fence.

Had a livery mare roll and get caught in plain wire with her back legs, that was a real mess.
A TB yearling colt impaled himself on heavy wooden railings - that entered his chest and exited by his elbow.

We had an alley between the fields. One morning when I went to feed I saw galloping hoofprints in the alley. The gate to the paddock was opened but bent at right angles. On the latch was lung,
The two brood mares, not long over from Ireland, had galloped into the gate which had burst open, galloped down the track to the road gate, stopped turned around and galloped back. With the gate blocking half the gateway one horse had pushed the other onto the latch and it had punctured her ribs and lung near her elbow.

Yearling colt tore his side open on a gate latch.

Had a youngster entangled in electro tape when it snapped in the wind.

When we think of safety we are doing it all wrong. Fences should be barn wire, preferably loose and rusted, dump all trash, especially anything metal in their paddocks and they will be fine.
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