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post #41 of 59 Old 05-13-2015, 11:25 PM
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Thanks everyone for all the great advice. I have decided to check a few possibilities out before I decide to sell. I want to make sure it wasn't the saddle or other pain. And am possibly looking into more training. I haven't been back on yet, but am working on it. My instructor rode him in her saddle at a walk and trot and he seemed to do okay. Go figure - so I think maybe I need more training too. :) Thanks again everyone!
Can I ask why she didn't ride him in the canter as that's where you seem to be having difficulty with him?

I might be wrong but if I am having trouble with a riding issue my instructor gets on my boy and has a go to see if she can figure out what is happening.
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post #42 of 59 Old 05-14-2015, 01:30 AM
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I didn't read all the replies, but I have to agree with beverlyy.

There are a few things that seem a bit odd to me about this story, and I think the horse needs a bit of a closer look rather than say "he's got your number", "he just needs some hard riding", "he just doesn't respect you", "he's young", "he's feeling the springtime" or "sell him".

First, he did not pick up the right lead when you test rode him. Might not be a big deal, but might be a pain issue too. Did you get a PPE done? Is he sound? Not picking up the right lead CAN just be a balance issue, but it can also be due to the horse not wanting to carry weight on the inside hind. Hind leg lameness is not always as obvious as front leg lameness.

Second, your instructor thinks you should send him to a trainer rather than getting on herself, and when she did, she didn't canter him. I'm not sure how experienced your instructor is, but that kind of made me think she might either be scared or not experienced enough to handle a problem like this. I think as a first measure, I'd rather change my instructor than sell my horse...

So my course of action before selling would be get him checked out by a vet and see where he's at health-wise. Then talk to a trainer/instructor that is experienced and will actually get on the horse and get a second opinion. Be careful with your choice of trainer though - there are enough people who call themselves horse trainers and are actually pretty useless. Find someone who comes recommended and at least has insurance.
When he vets sound and a trainer has taken a good look at him, you can still decide whether you want to sell him.

That being said, I was in a very similar spot as you five years ago. Bought my horse in May, got bucked off and broke my hand in August, got bucked off a couple more times and was scared to do anything with him after that. I had him checked by a vet and chiro (he was completely sound), found my trainer and worked with her through the problems we had. I still have both the horse and the trainer, and have no problems anymore. So yes, it worked out for us.
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post #43 of 59 Old 05-14-2015, 06:30 PM
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Can't figure out how to quote from my phone, but in response to yor last reply op - why can your instructor not train this horse? Are they inexperienced? Something is very off there. Get a new instructor. And a vet/chiro - almost guarantee that's where your problem lies.
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post #44 of 59 Old 05-14-2015, 09:02 PM
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I guess I am on the side of those who say to find another horse. (Im 57 by the way)Watching a friend right now going thru much the same as you.. got tossed by her new horse, ( this is her second, so not a newbie ) He did a Hi Ho Silver rear right over and she is very lucky she was not hurt. But her confidence is shot. And sadly, I can see that he realizes that. The more he acts up, the more she reacts... hops off, lunges him, runs him around the round pen.. tries again.. same thing. My heart kind of breaks for her. SHe is not having fun, she is not getting to enjoy riding him...
My mare is green... greener than I thought when I bought her. Whenever we try something new my trainer ( who is in her mid 20's and bounces better!) will always ride her first. Always. If yours wont, I would get another trainer. If yours is afraid to ride your horse at a canter.. she should in no way be asking YOU to. Something is wrong here.
All horses do not fit all riders. No failure at all to say " maybe this is not THE horse.." and the right horse is out there waiting for you...
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post #45 of 59 Old 05-15-2015, 08:05 PM
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I'm not saying the OP shouldn't find a new horse, just that I'd be willing to bet money that the reason this horse is acting up is due to pain somewhere. The horse has trouble picking up a lead (this is apparently "no big deal") - that scares me. When a person thinks that's "no big deal" and (OP correct me if I am wrong) from the sounds of things has NOT had a vet check this horse, then obviously said horse is going to act up.

I'm not saying that a horse who has trouble with one lead is always in pain, but in this case I'm willing to bet on it.

If OP doesn't want to get a vet out for this issue, or any other professional, then yes sell the horse to a home that will do these things and buy a horse, VET IT, and make sure it's a horse that magically won't react to pain.

Now, If I am wrong, and I hope I am for the horse's sake, then I apologize.
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post #46 of 59 Old 05-16-2015, 10:30 AM
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I think it's unfair at this point to simply say "sell the horse". The OP already owns him so why not eliminate any possible unsoundness or pain issues and have the horse evaluated by a good trainer? I think the OP will be much more comfortable with whatever decision she makes when she has more Knowledge of exactly what she's dealing with. At this point the horse has decreased in value but may actually have a lot of potential and could very well increase in value if not to the OP possibly someone else
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post #47 of 59 Old 05-16-2015, 10:38 AM
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I haven't read all of the posts but want to add that some horses need to be worked regularly to be decent. I've had horses like this. Bad weather doesn't quell their need for activity. In the past I've had to pay a trainer to ride my horse 3 times a week so that when I rode him the other 3 times he would be reasonable and not kill me. That was in my 30's, I'm 50's now and really appreciate and older, been there, done that kind of horse. IMHO 7 is too young for someone like you.
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post #48 of 59 Old 05-16-2015, 10:44 AM
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Well, if he scares you, I suppose you could sell him, but one bucking fit isn't a big deal. It's going to happen. My gelding Pistol has bucked me off before as well as gave me what I think of as "attitude bucks" where he just bucks enough to make me a little thrown off balance, but not fall... He bucked me off the one time because I made him walk over some poles and it scared the mess out of him. Note: I haven't read all of the posts, sorry.
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post #49 of 59 Old 05-16-2015, 10:47 AM
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What I have noticed when working with older adults is that their minds become very busy thinking up "what if" scenarios. This can create fear and tension in the rider. What needs to happen is to learn to focus on the positives. Instead of thinking of riding in general terms, direct your focus to ...eg.. I will work on riding at the walk and improving our stops. Run it thro your mind. When negative thoughts pop in to mind I tell them aloud to go sit in a corner, that I'll deal with you later. I would always laugh at the inanity but it get my focus off the negative. Do keep in mind, some of the best training sessions are short so whatever you are working on and you're pleased, put the horse away as that is it's big reward. Do work on the same thing three days in a row if you can then move on to something else. Instead of lunging the horse, do groundwork with him. You are telling him when and where to move his feet yet it can help him relax. What I have recommended, you can do on your own. Be sure to keep the work interesting by having him walk over a few ground poles. You asked him for the canter before he was ready and he told you in clear terms. Do make sure he's not sore in the fronts. Horses that are sore will often trot but blow up when asked to canter when carrying a rider.



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post #50 of 59 Old 05-16-2015, 11:58 AM
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Make sure this horse has passed his physical (sounds like he has canter issues quite possibly from pain) and has proper management (diet/turnout).

I don't think you're giving him a chance and being fair. Things can take a little work and he's still new.

That said a tune up is not a bad idea. What was he doing when you got him?
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I'm not saying the OP shouldn't find a new horse, just that I'd be willing to bet money that the reason this horse is acting up is due to pain somewhere. The horse has trouble picking up a lead (this is apparently "no big deal") - that scares me. When a person thinks that's "no big deal" and (OP correct me if I am wrong) from the sounds of things has NOT had a vet check this horse, then obviously said horse is going to act up.

I'm not saying that a horse who has trouble with one lead is always in pain, but in this case I'm willing to bet on it.

If OP doesn't want to get a vet out for this issue, or any other professional, then yes sell the horse to a home that will do these things and buy a horse, VET IT, and make sure it's a horse that magically won't react to pain.

Now, If I am wrong, and I hope I am for the horse's sake, then I apologize.
This absolutely. Maybe it's not the right horse but you can't blame a specific problem on the horse and the horse deserves a second chance with the issues diagnosed and addressed. Don't blame the horse.

If you still want to sell him fine but you owe it to him to figure out what the problem is (and if you do sell him to do so with disclosure)
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