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post #41 of 50 Old 12-22-2015, 10:10 PM
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Your dealing with other horses won't have any effect on any part of your horse and you.

But you need to do something to get them to back off you.

I have rarely had to deal with this past first HCTJM when I sort things out, and after that, can use a finger and a UNNNNGGGT to make them leave area.

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post #42 of 50 Old 12-26-2015, 11:39 PM
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It wouldn't really surprise me if Harley was playing a game sometimes. The way he prances away from them and looks over his shoulder smugly is like a kid going Na-na! you can't catch me! But at the previous barn, his paddock mate beat him up all the time and I truly felt sorry for him. The paddock was too small for him to be able to get away and every day he had nasty bite marks on his rump. Never once did I see him try to defend himself. Between fight and flight, he will always choose flight.
My gelding can easily run circles around any of our other horses, only one of who would actually bother him. He is not beat up on and is very happy and well adjusted in his herd. He also has marks all over. We have plenty of room and like I said he's definitely not getting beat up on so I don't worry about it. If he didn't want them he can easily avoid it.

I still think you're overthinking it ;) They will give you plenty to worry about so don't worry about the things you don't need to.

(No I still haven't read all the thread, sorry!)
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post #43 of 50 Old 12-29-2015, 02:25 AM
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Horses, however intelligent they may be, do not think like a human. Standing up to a horses bullies won't earn you his respect, he may appreciate it but it won't earn you respect in the same way it would with a human. But making sure the other horses don't get in your way may be useful, i wouldn't suggest hitting them with a whip (especially with another persons horse) but keeping them out of your way is good, for you more than anything it will make catching easier. I am not an expert so I would suggest talking to an experienced trainer or owner if you need advice
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post #44 of 50 Old 12-29-2015, 11:48 AM Thread Starter
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Went into the pasture a few minutes ago carrying a whip and the other three just ignored me while I walked over to Harley and spent a few minutes just scratching him and watching him eat hay. The mare took a few steps my way, but I just calmly showed her the whip and she turned around and joined the other three. So my efforts at keeping the others away seem to be effective. This is different from bringing him in though, because they all want to come in together, but they clearly understand that person + whip = stay away so I should be able to apply this to other situations. So far, every time we've ridden him, he was already in. But we may have to bring him in for a ride this afternoon so hopefully it will go well.
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Went into the pasture a few minutes ago carrying a whip and the other three just ignored me while I walked over to Harley and spent a few minutes just scratching him and watching him eat hay. The mare took a few steps my way, but I just calmly showed her the whip and she turned around and joined the other three. So my efforts at keeping the others away seem to be effective. This is different from bringing him in though, because they all want to come in together, but they clearly understand that person + whip = stay away so I should be able to apply this to other situations. So far, every time we've ridden him, he was already in. But we may have to bring him in for a ride this afternoon so hopefully it will go well.
Yay! I'm glad they are respecting you now.
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post #46 of 50 Old 02-06-2016, 07:01 PM Thread Starter
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I know this is an oldish thread, but I wanted to come back and thank everyone for the excellent advice. I've gone into the paddock on a regular basis now with a whip and the other horses have learned to keep their distance. Today, I went in late in the afternoon (this is grain time for the horses so they want to come in), walked up to Harley, haltered him and walked him right between the other three who looked at me, but didn't move a muscle. I walked him right into the indoor arena (this is the usual route they take to be brought in for grain), calmly shut the gate behind me and again, they didn't even take a single step toward me.

I could not have done it without all of your help. THANKS! Oh, and oddly, the herd dynamics seem to have evolved. The old gelding who used to be the most aggressive towards Harley now ignores him. The big percheron X who is the alpha leaves him alone too, but oddly, now Harley seems to be challenging HIM! They will rear and Harley will take "air" bites at him. It's very odd. But I guess herd dynamics change. I don't think Harley would ever become herd leader, but then again, I never thought he'd challenge this big percheron X either! Maybe he's just trying to assert his place and I would assume that to be a positive thing.
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post #47 of 50 Old 02-06-2016, 08:19 PM
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post #48 of 50 Old 02-07-2016, 09:44 AM
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Good for you! And yes, the dynamics do change but it seems as the herd knows YOU are off limits.
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It seems that several times a year, the more dominant horse will ramp it up and be a bit of a bully to his buddy. Yet if I go in there and make him move, at the walk, from behind, for maybe 2 or 3 min. his attitude toward his pal improves.



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post #50 of 50 Old 02-07-2016, 06:17 PM
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The herd leaders on my gelding's herd allow him to play and mock fight when it is convenient to them. But that is the only time he is allowed to play with them.
Dont mistake the leader wanting to, andallowing, the mock fighting by Harley, vs, a true change in dynamics.
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