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post #21 of 46 Old 03-18-2016, 06:16 PM
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This doesn't help you much, but to answer your question, yes, they absolutely exist. Where my daughter takes lessons there are at least three. They aren't the most spectacular horses and probably don't have great pedigrees, but you can literally plop a four year old on their backs and they'll just walk on quietly. I rented two of these horses for my daughter's 10th birthday and put a bunch of beginners on them. The owner wasn't even there (although he knows me well and knew I would be ok). They are worth their weight in gold and even though people have made very generous offers to buy them, the BO always refuses to sell. Without these types of horses, he wouldn't have a business. His other horses are a bit more of a challenge, but everyone starts on the quiet horses and moves up from there.

That said, we are looking to buy a horse like this ourselves for my daughter and are finding there aren't that many on the market. I'm guessing this is because no one sells them, or at least not on the open market. And your riding school clearly doesn't have any either, but maybe some private owners do and they're just considered too valuable to share.

I really do hope you find a nice, quiet horse to ride before you get completely discouraged.
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most of the horses i rode growing up were self trained; the farmers were not about to spring the $ to hire a "high falooting" trainer so they would just send a couple of their ten kids out there and tell them don't get themselves killed in the process! By the time the kids were finished with the poor beast it was bomb proof, kid proof and idiot proof.
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post #23 of 46 Old 03-19-2016, 06:23 PM
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Horses like that do exist but they need to be well trained and ridden by more experienced and consistent riders for years. I guess the issue is that if your riding schools are using horses like that and turning out riders like that then many horses in your area aren't going to be great. If people don't have the skills to train correctly then that's a larger issue.

There are horses suitable for novices but mostly they have been supervised by more experienced people. Whether that be people getting lessons with their first horse, or being watched by an experienced relative it's not overly common for a first horse to be kept without someone more experienced. In my experience many problems for novice riders start on the ground and grow to disrespect in the saddle. Many horses don't need tune ups but it's really helpful to have someone there to keep an eye on things and identify problems before they grow. Regardless of the horse I would not recommend having a horse without some sort of experienced person being involved, even just for a lesson once a fortnight.

In your situation I would be looking for the well trained horses. They might competing or at clubs but there should be some sort of thing somewhere, even if it's based out of town. Attend somethings like this and watch the horses. Ask the riders where they learned, who their horse was trained by and try to find a good horse through word of mouth.
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That said, we are looking to buy a horse like this ourselves for my daughter and are finding there aren't that many on the market. I'm guessing this is because no one sells them, or at least not on the open market. And your riding school clearly doesn't have any either, but maybe some private owners do and they're just considered too valuable to share.
I have one; his name is Banjo. He's Mine, and You Can't Have Him ;-)

Horsef, one thing you might try is a join-up exercise with a likely horse; one you feel you positive towards. Too much to try to put into a post, but everything you need to know is available on-line. Search "Monty Roberts Join Up", and go from there. Lots of different trainers call it lots of different things, but they all amount to about the same thing; getting the horse to accept/bond with the trainer.

If you can make that work consistently with one of the horses you have access to, you will be miles ahead as far as getting everything else to work.

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Horsef, one thing you might try is a join-up exercise with a likely horse; one you feel you positive towards. Too much to try to put into a post, but everything you need to know is available on-line. Search "Monty Roberts Join Up", and go from there. Lots of different trainers call it lots of different things, but they all amount to about the same thing; getting the horse to accept/bond with the trainer.

If you can make that work consistently with one of the horses you have access to, you will be miles ahead as far as getting everything else to work.

ByeBye! Steve
If I recall from previous posts, the OP is in a situation where there are group lessons going on with horses coming from everywhere at once and therefore, is not in a safe environment for groundwork. The OP lives in a non-horse country where lesson barns are rare and therefore, is stuck with what's there and does not have access to this horse in a one-on-one situation. OP, if I'm wrong, please correct me.
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post #26 of 46 Old 03-19-2016, 08:35 PM
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Yes. They do exist.

The outfitters that one can hire for rides? Their horses are great but accidents do happen.
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post #27 of 46 Old 03-19-2016, 10:13 PM
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Trooper was given the name Trooper because he was "Just a little trooper" - an old phrase meaning he just did what he was told. During his ranch years, he was used with sheepherders brought in from Chile, who had no riding experience, and who needed a horse to ride in rough country 50+ miles from the nearest paved road. And Trooper always got the job done.

Cowboy was given to us, free, because no one else wanted him. He was too "bad" to be used for giving lessons. So he came here. Turns out he LIKES going out on trail rides with one of the big horses (Cowboy is 13.0 hands). Take him out with one of the big horses, don't get real bossy with him, and he's a good, safe & sane ride for people who ride once every few years:



I was riding him last fall when some idiots started emptying their Glock handguns in our direction with no idea we were there. My friend said he could see the bullets cutting thru the vegetation near Cowboy's feet. Cowboy was scared, but he waited for me to decide. My friend and I decided it was safer (for reason that would take too long to explain) to charge TOWARD the shooters. And Cowboy did as told, without hesitation! And the place where he was used as a lesson horse delivered him to me for free because Cowboy was "naughty" and "rebellious"!

So yes, they ARE out there. However, how a person rides them affects things too. Cowboy still gets very nervous riding in an arena...too many bad memories of being a lesson horse, I guess. But I don't know of a safer horse to ride in the desert, or a more practical one! If I needed to be able to trust my life to one horse, in the desert, it would be Cowboy.

PS - He is not for sale.
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If I recall from previous posts, the OP is in a situation where there are group lessons going on with horses coming from everywhere at once and therefore, is not in a safe environment for groundwork. The OP lives in a non-horse country where lesson barns are rare and therefore, is stuck with what's there and does not have access to this horse in a one-on-one situation. OP, if I'm wrong, please correct me.
You are correct. I do get individual lessons but the school is not reserved for me so I'll sometimes have 5 or 6 sports horses jumping at the same time. And big jumps too, 1,4 - 1,5m quite often. As you can imagine, it's very unnerving for a beginner.
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Horsef,

I remember riding at one barn where they had a kind of "beginner's hour" practice time, where it was only people that took lessons at the barn and the instructors had to sign off on them being there as either beginners or novice riders who were capable of riding without an observer.

If I remember correctly was usually at least one hour on Saturday and one on Sunday late afternoons and it was monitored by a rotating staff of instructors just to make sure rules were followed and things didn't get out of hand.
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The thing is that rules and boundaries need to be set up and adhered to. If you are having all these problems then perhaps you are not ready to be riding without supervision of an instructor.

An animal that is well behaved and beginner safe will still test the boundaries not necessarily when ridden to start with but on the ground which then moves to when being ridden so, yes, most do need a tune up periodically.

When running a riding school I had several ponies that were 100% obedient, in the arena if I said canter, they cantered, if I said whoa they stopped. However when they were ridden out by other children they would test all the time.

I had a small pony that came to me as unrideable, he wasn't! After a few years with me he was sold and when outgrown sold again.

I was working away and on my return, went to a show. Stood at the sod e of an arena where minimums jumping was going on, talking to friends, a small white pony came in and threw its young rider into the wining of the first jump - twice. I remarked "What a mean pony." Friend told me that I should know as it was Breeze! I marched into the ring, and the moment I had a hold of the reins his head went up, he rolled his eyes! I growled at him and he knew I was annoyed. I ran with the kiddie over three jumps and then let her go on her own. He went around the course perfectly and when finished he trotted back to me rather than go out the arena. He knew what was right and wrong, he just took advantage as will most animals if not correctly tuned up now and then.

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