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post #21 of 33 Old 01-30-2017, 09:27 AM
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I'm sorry to hear you got hurt, however...make sure any pain is ruled out. Has he been checked by the vet/saddle fitter/chiro?

It sounds like it could be a pain issue. However, if not, definitely get the trainer to help work with him. I wouldn't continue to do it by myself if you keep getting bucked off.
If you are totally fed up with this horse...well, I guess your next best option is to find a new one. However, try to rule out everything else first.
Try not to give up...maybe he's just not the horse for you.

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post #22 of 33 Old 01-30-2017, 12:24 PM
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Everybody has been most helpful here. Horses can be extremely frustrating. You seem to have one that can either be your greatest teacher or get you out of the hobby. I'd start by making sure the problem is not pain. Then be prepared to spend time and dollars or look for another horse...or another hobby. Just don't go out to work with this horse with anger, fear or a bad attitude.
I wish you luck with whichever path you take.
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post #23 of 33 Old 01-31-2017, 12:20 AM
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Sorry you had this experience. If you are attached to the horse then a trainer would probably be your best choice, for you and the horse.
If you can send the horse back or trade for a calmer horse and not feel badly, then trade him back.
No shame in saying this horse is to much. I sold a mare I could not get along with. The mare and I did not match up .
I kind of missed the horse, and hope she found a soft place to land.
I really liked the horse I got in place of that mare. I kept that horse until the day I had to have him euthanized.
I prefer a dead head , lol, that does not need ridden a lot , or lunged before riding.
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post #24 of 33 Old 01-31-2017, 10:46 AM
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Ouch. I'm sorry about your rotten experience. Chalk that neighbor up to ignore status when it comes to horse advice!

I think you just have the wrong horse for you. I'd sell him or trade him.
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post #25 of 33 Old 01-31-2017, 03:21 PM
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Get a trainer, work with your trainer. Be sure your saddle fits (I would be willing to bet it does not). Do not expect groundwork and "bonding" to compensate for badly fitting tack and ignorance. I was going to make this post longer and pretty it up some, but that's what my advice boils down to. Many horses will tolerate a poorly fitting saddle without complaint, many will not. This horse has not been ridden in several months and it sounds like he was giving every indication that it was not going to go well, and you got on anyway. what are you feeding and how much turnout does he get? I got a horse that regularly bucked off his previous owner, he was stalled 24/7 and being fed what amounted to rocket fuel. Took him off feed and turned him out on pasture, he became a totally different horse.
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post #26 of 33 Old 01-31-2017, 03:39 PM
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I am sorry you had a bad experience – that neighbor gave you some Grade-D bull-honk advice, which most of us on here are familiar with getting!

I picked a horse once that was about *thisclose* to being a killer. She’d lunge out of the stall at you, act like she was going to kick you if you brushed her legs, destroyed the barn, bucked off my trainer to the point she broke her kneecap and needed surgery, and pinned a disabled woman who boarded with us against her car and would not let her leave until the BO’s husband heard her screaming. We sent her back to where she came from – and I was told this horse had been ridden by children! We used to joke “Yeah, the ones they didn’t care if they got back in one piece”.

I agree that I’d start with tack fit, and then chiropractor to make sure that your horse doesn’t have a condition that is causing him to act out. It could be something like kissing spine, where pressure on the back causes the horse excruciating pain.

If you’ve covered all the bases and you still don’t trust him, then I’d find a horse more suited to your needs. There are too many good horses out there to waste time with one that doesn’t meet what you want.
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post #27 of 33 Old 02-01-2017, 03:43 AM
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The neighbour was not incorrect saying that they are unable to really buck in deep snow or water, however, I would bet that when you mounted him he wasn't in deep snow!

It seems you need a trainer or get you neighbour to ride him first.

I have never ridden a horse in deep snow but have in deep water for the purpose of stopping them from bucking. This was a very uncomfortable experience for me.
A mare that was sent to me for breaking. The moment I worked her I knew someone had trie before as she knew all she wasn't supposed to know. Problems came trying to mount her, basically you couldn't!
We went to the beach with her and two solid hunters. Two friends were riding the hunters with the mare between I was doubled up on one of the hunters. In chest deeep water I slipped across onto her back. Try as she might she couldn't really buck or rear but it didn't stop her from trying. She gave a heck of a plunge forward and next thing I was loose from my two outriders.

Next thing we were heading straightnacross the Solent, one of the busiest shipping channels in the world. I had to slip off her back and float alongside her. We went out over half a mile because we were well past the pier, the Hovercraft passed us. Eventually she did turn. As she hit the sand so I was back on her. She was exhausted but I rode her up and down in the sea and then on the sand. She never offered to buck.

I was blue with cold and the saying "Chilled to the bone." was brought home to me. One of my friends rode her the four miles home whilst I went to warm up in a tepid bath, anything hotter was painful.

I swear it was two or three days before I felt warm.
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post #28 of 33 Old 02-01-2017, 05:38 AM
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If I am reading your story right, the horse bucked you off once, then you were grounded for awhile but did lots of groundwork. Finally you got on again, and he bucked you off again.

If you are getting along well doing ground work, I am guessing the issue is either that the saddle doesn't fit, or that the horse is not well trained to being ridden.

From what you say, I would consider the possibility that the horse is not trained to be ridden yet, because packing and ground work will not train a horse to be ridden. Do you know for sure the trainer that worked with the horse actually spent time riding him?

Another thing to consider is that a horse "green broke" to being ridden needs some experience and miles before you can expect to get on after a period of time and be certain he won't buck. Anything that scares or feels "off" to a green horse might cause bucking. Even if the last time you rode in November made the horse scared somehow, it might have caused him to buck this time just remembering that experience.

Usually I am ready for a buck to happen anytime in the first 100 rides.

Something not everyone realizes is that training for riding must happen during riding. You can do years of groundwork and the horse will still be completely green to riding until he has some experience doing it.

My suggestion is to not get on the horse yourself, but instead enlist the help of an experienced rider. That person can evaluate the horse and discover why he is bucking, and also get him through the first several rides. Ideally, if you don't want to get bucked off again I'd have someone do the first 60-100 rides for you. I've seen some trainers that spend 30 days with a horse but only ride three times before sending the horse to the new owner. That horse is still extremely green and there is a good chance they still might buck at some point.

People who are experienced with getting bucked off will often test the horse a bit before committing to getting completely on - if they suspect a horse might buck. I usually hop up and down in the stirrup a few times to make sure the horse seems calm and also wiggle the saddle and slap the stirrups around, making lots of noise. I stand on something taller than the horse and wave my arms, seeing if this makes him react. Then I lay on my stomach so I can just slide off if the horse rushes off or starts bucking. If the horse is calm with all of this, then I will commit to sitting in the saddle. It also saves you from discovering the saddle is causing back pain when you are on the horse. If the back hurts or the saddle pinches, the horse will usually react to your weight just hanging over the saddle or pressing down in the stirrup.

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post #29 of 33 Old 02-01-2017, 06:17 AM
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I have never ridden a horse in deep snow but have in deep water for the purpose of stopping them from bucking. This was a very uncomfortable experience for me.
Wow! "Uncomfortable experience" is the understatement of the year! You wrote that so vividly it must be etched deep into your mind. I swear, I could feel the cold water and hear the deep horns of the ships... Wow.
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post #30 of 33 Old 02-01-2017, 06:09 PM Thread Starter
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I appreciate everyones thoughts and ideas. Ive not spent much time out with the horse since that incident, except to feed and water him. I don't want to project my frustration/disappointment to him. Ive been considering everyones advise, also. One of the gals I worked with who has 40+ years horse experience said she wouldn't get on her own horse that hasn't been worked hard in 2 months. Shes been off work and just got back to work from having knee replacement surgery (because of 40+ years riding horses). I wish I would have talked to her before taking the neighbors advise. I'm sure she would have talked me out of getting on him.
BTW, hes not a green broke horse. And yes, I rode him before buying him. The trainer that had him rode him up into the back country in Idaho, worked him 3-4 days a week moving cattle, then used him to pack elk down from the back country. He has been well ridden. And that is a major reason why I chose him. I think he just needs to get some energy out of his system before anyone gets on him. I'm fairly sure that was the mistake. I did work him for a little bit, but not near enough for him to expend enough energy.
After having time to think about the situation, I may not be done with horses. I'm not sure I could trust this horse again. But I have to be careful either in selling him or trading him. I couldn't bear to sell him to someone without them knowing EXACTLY what my experience has been. Several of the horses I looked at before him that I thought were perfect for me, until the owner would give me vague details, or conflicting information. I wont be one of those unscrupulous people.
Again, I appreciate everyone's input.
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