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post #11 of 20 Old 08-12-2015, 08:56 AM
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I completely agree with your needing to follow your gut, because ultimately it doesn't matter what ANYone thinks except you. You have legitimate reasons for deciding either way, and having a good trainer at your disposal is a HUGE advantage...again, either way. I know that was not all that helpful, but you do have good reasons to be indecisive. If you did not have access to the trainer then I would recommend selling and finding a better fit.

If you do not feel like you can grow into this horse then sell him. If you are not willing to take the time to grow into him, sell him.

If you are happy with the trainer riding him and you doing groundwork with him and riding your son's horse, keep him. But it seems to me you are not fully satisfied with the way things are now, so you just need to decide if you are willing to wait to see if things change or you want a more satisfying experience with a better-suited horse.
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post #12 of 20 Old 08-12-2015, 09:02 AM
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He may be taking advantage of you but to me that's sort of a negative thought directed at the horse, and be certain he can immediately pick up on any negative thought you have directed toward him. And he may not be taking advantage of you. He may be just being a horse testing you. He HAS to test you to find out who you are for his own safety.
Horses need to know where the boundaries are, even in a herd of other horses . . . so they can feel safe.
Be a compassionate leader, not a hopeful passenger.

and, as Hondo mentions, always end the lesson on a good note with something you know the horse can do, even if it is simple: drop your head and back up 3 steps, walk forward 3 step, whoa. (whatever)
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post #13 of 20 Old 08-12-2015, 09:39 AM
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It does depend on the situation, is your horse just difficult or dangerous?

When you start off as a beginner you can often progress pretty quickly, you might find that soon this horse will be more suitable.

However, while the training won't hurt, it can cost you a lot of money and if the horse is trained but just disrespectful to beginner riders then your trainer might not be able to do much. Not all horses are suitable for beginner riders.

Perhaps an option could be to lease your horse out for six months or so, until you can have some lessons and some more experience and are ready for your horse?
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post #14 of 20 Old 08-12-2015, 09:59 AM
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It depends both on your own confidence level, and what this horse is actually doing, far as testing you.
Also, sometimes a highly trained horse is not suitable for a beginning rider. For instance, my son's girl friend had ridden when she was younger, but then had a stretch of not riding. She started trail riding with my son, riding a horse that he had used in working cowhorse. The horse was very sensitive to leg aids, and she would find herself doing sudden un expected roll backs, that she had not cued for
Some beginning riders, need a horse that is what some of us would call, a 'bit dull'
When I was young, I rode anything, no instructor, including a spoiled stallion. I also trained at that time, a very green two year old, that had been cowboyed, again with no knowledge, just determination and a love of horses. That horse bucked me off several times in that process, but I also rode him in the Calgary Stampede Parade eventually. So, can it be done? Certainly, but only you can decide on your comfort level
Most horses will only work to the level of the rider. Some of those horses just put out the minimum of effort, with a 'make me attitude', while others become disrespectful, running through aids they perfectly understand. Thus,w e have horses that always rode out by themselves, and they suddenly learn to balk.
Thus, try the training scenario where a trainer rides your horse, and you at the same time, have lessons on your horse with that trainer.
If you find that the horse is still 'too much horse for you', then there is a time to sell, or divorce your horse. Horse ownership does not imply, 'until death us do part' Just like in a bad marriage, both parties can find mates more suitable, and you can find a horse that better suits you, and your horse, someone that enjoys his level of training
While there are many examples of fairly green horse people that successfully gained agreat partnership on a horse that came with some 'baggage', there are also plenty examples of people that were turned off of horses completely, by being 'over horsed'
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post #15 of 20 Old 08-12-2015, 12:27 PM
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Some horses will never be beginner horses
Some horses never take advantage of beginners or nervous riders - it's why people will spend a ton of money on a true schoolmaster
Whether or not you will one day become the experienced confident rider this horse needs is a question no one can answer - I know lots of people who are very good riders and have been riding for a long time but still don't want to take on a challenging horse
I'm a bit inclined to say that you should sell this horse now and get one that you can enjoy and progress with from the 'get go' rather than keep on waiting for the day to come when you can enjoy riding the one you have
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post #16 of 20 Old 08-13-2015, 02:30 AM
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Many times I have been asked to sort out problems with a horse that a relatively novice rider is having. I never get on the horse as if I can ride. I hail up, sit heavy, aids are feeble amd unsure, so the horse thinks "Got a right one here!"

It doesn't take them long to take advantage and start really testing. Usually starts with a small spook or a turn back to home, I turn them in a full circle letting them think they have scored points. I can feet that they are building up to something more and when the real 'test' comes I am ready for them and they will get the shock of their life.
Then I will go back to riding like a numpty. They don't usually try something a second time

As said they can read a rider/handler by acting like a novice they read me wrong and with any luck take longer to take advantage of the owner.
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post #17 of 20 Old 08-13-2015, 01:12 PM
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I just wanted to pop in here and say that I am very happy that you have a trainer that is willing to help you out. That's half the battle right there... now you just have to be open to learning and really pushing yourself.
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post #18 of 20 Old 08-25-2015, 02:44 PM Thread Starter
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I am so happy I found this forum, sorry for long delay in response I was having password issues....but I am finally here and I am grateful for all this helpful advice from people of all different levels of experience...I have since started taking the lessons on my son's horse and it is going great as far as me being able to learn things with my trainer, I even went on a trail ride with her with a few people from our barn, I am letting the trainer continue to ride my horse so that he doesn't get lazy and I am going to keep pushing myself and getting my confidence up.....I want to give it a try with my horse Ace and see what happens in the future, if in the end he is not a suitable fit then I will sell him or see about trading him for a horse more suited to my needs.....I just don't have the heart to give up yet....thank you all for your help in this matter
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post #19 of 20 Old 08-25-2015, 04:47 PM
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Best of luck!

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post #20 of 20 Old 08-26-2015, 05:55 AM
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I would keep him, but I feel a bit bias. I got my TB and was told he was a real cool guy but no way is he for a beginner which I was. First time I rode him he ran me into a fence and after that I got an instructor and it was hard for a bit but we got to a point where I can ride him confidently anywhere and trust him not to be an idiot.

The way my lessons were was that I got on first for about 10mins which was about the time he started to play up and then my instructor would get on for 10 mins and sort him out and then I would get back on. It worked really well until she left unfortunately :/ but I have learnt so much from him even him being green not advocating that it is a good idea but it is possible to get to a safe point.

Good luck with everything keep us updated!
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