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post #11 of 39 Old 01-14-2018, 03:47 PM
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I like her, a lot!!

She is being ridden by someone who does her no justice. {sorry if that is you OP}
The horse swishes her tail in reaction to being pestered by a nagging leg and heel kicking her to get her to change gait... hands not quiet at the walk in keeping synchronized motion nor at the trot.
She canters off with a rider who is not quiet handed nor quiet in the seat either...with no reaction.
She is large in stature and has some mileage and experience behind her.
She jumps and takes darn good care of her rider by evidence of that picture.
She cranks her knees and is over that fence with nice form and covering terrible position of this rider that if she wanted to do a dirty dump easily could of...
She strikes me as a perfect, very forgiving horse who could teach you a lot, take care of you as you learn...and as you learn you can tap into her vast scope and knowledge base of stride, jumping all kinds of fences, being rated on long gallops over fields...and just enjoying her.
As for papers...personally I could care less about them.
If you know her age, where she comes from and what she has done successfully in the past....her vet records of health care given and hoof care...
You don't ride papers.
Is she worth the price...honestly, my gut says yes.
Bring her down, try her out.
She looks very forgiving, very placid a disposition and she sure looks like a lot of fun to play with.
You have those around you offering and qualified to help you...and wanting to help you as you need it and school the horse if she has need of it...
For that price though I would have a vet come out and check her out thoroughly to make sure she is as represented in health...
Have your farrier look that body and legs over carefully so you know where that is too...cheaper not needing to do corrective shoes versus regular shoes or maybe just trimming of hooves...
The place she is coming from also has a record, past dealing with your barn...they are not going to look to ruin a relationship that has in past presented homes for many sale horses of theirs...they just don't do that normally.

Flat out...
I say bring her down.
Pay for a chance to have a really nice, proved horse you know where it has been, what it has done and see by a video what kind of rider presented her and how forgiving of her she was...to me that is a horse you do take the chance on...
Sometimes you listen to your gut....I do.
This time it says "Go for it"....
Please let us know how this works out for you...
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post #12 of 39 Old 01-14-2018, 04:09 PM
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Gallery - Stephen Gittins Category: Horses for sale

They are in Oxfordshire and have two same type of horses as Katie, Jimmy and Kilmovee Emperor. But god that mouth pulling...
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post #13 of 39 Old 01-14-2018, 04:16 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you for the replies so far. I'm so excited I want to burst. And cry.

@Golden Horse I will definitely make a list. It is hard though as an exotic animal and dog trainer I know that behaviours can be worked on and it's just not so black and white. I think the one thing I cannot abide is biting. I've really had enough of biters lol.

@Fimargue I don't think I'll get bored too fast as I'm not thaaaaaaaaat good yet :P I can't imagine myself getting bored but that's likely because I've not gotten to a point where more horse more green is good for me :P. I'll bear it mind though! I really like the ads you linked and have spent COUNTLESS hours browsing desperately. I'm just so anxious about getting a good sound horse first time round that the idea of buying it through my riding school's trainer feels safer.

@farmpony84 I'll definitely be getting her vet checked when she comes over (as I'm looking more and more to bringing her over for a hands on experience test)

@tinyliny thanks for the critique. Even before sending the video they said that she was stiff and needed some work on suppleness due to the fact she was primarily used for hunting only. They weren't too concerned and said since I ride with them we would work on it together. I do like drafts (I love my belgians) but I'm curious what you specifically mean by "She is pretty drafty, so you have to like what draft horses are all about." As in conformation and capability? thanks x

@horselovinguy yeah I absolutely love the look of her as well. And no the rider isn't me :P But I can't say I'd do her justice anymore (at least yet!). I think my trainer has chosen well in that I could grow into her ability and I'm sure at her age she has more to give. I am now convinced to pay to have her down and try. thank you <3
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@Fimargue I have just had a look over them as well. And yeah those bits and that pressure o.O. But they are nice looking horses. I'm just slightly petrified of buying a horse from an unknown source for my first time round. :'< Maybe once I know more...
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I understand completely. I know that some dealers yards have a money back guarantee, or a try period. At least they Turlood Stables - The largest and most reputable providers of horses and ponies in Scotland should have. Remember these two linked from the time period I was looking jobs in the UK.

They definitely are forgiving horses for what they have to endure.

About Katie - young horse being stiff is not a very good sign, that suggests incorrect riding.

If you have a good feeling about Katie, then I guess you should have her brought down. I just find the price high, but I'm cheap anyway.
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I would say that for the 6,000 she is well over priced.

There are plenty of horses to suit your needs for a lot less money. I took a quick look at Horsequest and many horses that had competed successfully were often half that price.
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I would say that for the 6,000 she is well over priced.

Would her being over-priced be a reflection of the yards trainers commissions being put in the price?

What is customary a commission cost or % in the UK area?

Price is usually negotiable too...unless told "firm" upfront.

OP, taking what foxhunter says under advisement, ask if the price is firm or negotiable...
Then do ask if the trainers have their commission added in that price so you not pay twice...
You have a right to ask, they have a right to deny...
Then you also have a right to say, "No, I'll look elsewhere too."
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Yes, I wondered if her trainer would have a commission from the sale and thus wants to bring her over.

While searching I found what looks like WB, though breed says to be unknown, 9-year-old gelding who has competed in dressage and jumps as well - under 4000. Doesn't say anything about the temperament though. But I found others who have done a lot and have a good temperament to boot for much less than 6000.
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@Foxhunter and @horselovinguy the commission IS included but you're right in that I don't know by how much. I have hacked out with the trainer/school owner a few times and this was before I indicated interest in buying. As I understand it the trainer specialises in buying Irish hunters and she then transforms said hunters into schoolmasters - she is a known supplier of several places I ride (and one place worked) just is well contracted with my favourite school. And then she sells them on with some of them being on behalf of the original owner hence commission. They do say she is slightly above average price but in the three places I've ridden (and one of them worked) they shared the opinion that the horses she sold were of high quality and good temperament. Overall a very good reputation which I also think is why it's so expensive - she can afford to up the price as she rarely struggles to sell even with them.

So I'm torn. I'll have her brought down (it's only 250 "only" as in the opportunity I guess. And experience of trying out). And I will post more then? My partner has asked if bringing 4500 in cash and offering her on the spot is a legit tactic?
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@Fimargue oof you're really fighting the other side of the coin. I'm SO torn haha. I will have her brought down and in the meantime there is no harm asking to view other horses to buy is there? Maybe I should do that with the intention of not buying.
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