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post #11 of 34 Old 09-10-2017, 04:21 AM Thread Starter
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I know after my hiatus from riding, I was and still am not what I was years ago, period!My horses now are fully trained, a joy and pleasure to ride and I have FUN when riding them, any one of them. I bought my horses that way and am really glad I did.

A upper level trained and competition horse could take you far from home, but a entry level horse...no, they exist in many areas.
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Please don't look "breed", look ability and personality.
For your safety, to have a learning experience and to again enjoy and have fun think seriously about buying "green" when you are also "green".
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You are so right! My conundrum is getting a horse that can clear 3.2" fences and trail rides for another decade, and getting a horse that is sounds, sane and steady. I'm putting safe and trained before agile.
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I personally would stay away from that TB because that is a very very green horse. <snip> You are better off (IMHO) getting an older horse that has been ridden for many years (like a 10 yo that has been ridden for 7).
What about a 15 year old?

You all are awesome! I took to heart what you all posted and crunched numbers, looked at more ads, and thought about everything my instructor suggested when I talked to her about a horse. After getting more information [that didn't ad up] from the owner, I pretty much determined it wouldn't be worth it to make the trip to see the horse.

Thinking about my ability as well as how I plan to ride now and in say, five years, I've found a 16hh Morgan mare. I really wanted a gelding, but promised myself I'd keep an open mind. This mare is 15 and competed in the 2005-2006 Morgan World Show. She trains and competes in English and Western, is sound, knows leg, hand and voice commands. The person selling her said she bought her from a breeding farm. The mare's filly was sold for nearly $5000. The mare ended up as a brood mare because she was kicked in the shoulder and her serious show career ended. The current owner bought the mare for her 8-yr-old daughter, but she said her daughter is too timid to ride the horse. All other family members have their own horse. The price is reasonably low ($2700) because the horse is highly trained but may develop arthritis. I've seen this mare's pedigree, a photo from her show days, and two videos -- one with a 10-yr-old and another with a more experienced woman. I am going to see this horse tomorrow. If the seller or someone else doesn't ride the horse, I will leave. If I like the horse, I'll spend a few days sleeping on it before asking my instructor to see the horse.

My biggest concern is whether the horse is/remains sound when I start jumping. My understanding from something I read is the seller and I could sign a contract indicating I could return the horse if (s)he came up lame within a month. This would be on top of the PPE. We shall see. If it doesn't seem right I'll keep looking.
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She trains and competes in English and Western, is sound, knows leg, hand and voice commands. The person selling her said she bought her from a breeding farm. The mare's filly was sold for nearly $5000. The mare ended up as a brood mare because she was kicked in the shoulder and her serious show career ended.
The price is reasonably low ($2700) because the horse is highly trained but may develop arthritis.

I've seen this mare's pedigree, a photo from her show days, and two videos -- one with a 10-yr-old and another with a more experienced woman. I am going to see this horse tomorrow. If the seller or someone else doesn't ride the horse, I will leave. If I like the horse, I'll spend a few days sleeping on it before asking my instructor to see the horse.

My biggest concern is whether the horse is/remains sound when I start jumping. My understanding from something I read is the seller and I could sign a contract indicating I could return the horse if (s)he came up lame within a month. This would be on top of the PPE. We shall see. If it doesn't seem right I'll keep looking.
So...I left the parts that to me are so very important...

First off...breed showing is very different that showing in USEF divisions..
Beware and be aware of the differences in what a horse looks like in movement and needs as it is, and can be different.
The mare was retired from showing because of a injury to her shoulder...that may still be a very large issue.
If the horse could of had some down time and recovered to return to the ring...it would of been done.
Think again very seriously of what that statement made means potentially... PPE, you bet and knowing shoulder injury I would be doing at a university where xrays of not common body parts can be done.

As for her pedigree...to me...who cares as you can't ride it.
Unless you plan on breeding, raising a Morgan horse that piece of paper has no merit to me.
You need to find a horse regardless of registered or not that can do the job you want...
A "show horse" now brood mare is not a trail horse and I read nothing about this horse doing trails as a steady dependable mount.
You need to look to buy a horse that meets your needs and wants now...
You can always sell and "upgrade" to another horse as your skills return and you are truly jumping 3' fences or above...that is not just any horse!

Honestly, that shoulder injury taking that horse out of her true career of showing would concern me greatly. That is a significant injury...arthritic changes may happen is probably a understatement.
I would be questioning and wanting full disclosure from the owner and the vet what if any maintenance is being done to keep the horse "sound" now...
Do they even know what the extent of the injury was?
Were they told, did they ask what was so serious the horse no longer could do her job in the show ring...
The fact the family has other horses but no need for this one for a 10 year old rider who comes from a riding family also makes me think....

Don't go alone and do go with a real open mind to what this horse is and does...look with your brain, then your eyes and keep a tight rein on your heart and emotions.
Take that instructor with you...that instructor can evaluate you astride, while taking some minor instruction and seeing if you are a "working match" or not..
In fact, your instructor should know of horses in your area, in your price range that fit what you need and what you want...have you asked?
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post #13 of 34 Old 09-11-2017, 12:03 AM Thread Starter
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Wow, thanks for the straight-talk Horselovinguy. Many of the questions you ask were answered through some research, and during my meet-up with the seller.

The horse was wonderful in so many ways. She's sweet and sane. She was great with my loud, chatty 7-yr-old who tends to use big hand/arm gestures. I got to see the seller unload and load the mare, saddle in both English and western, and WTC in both seats. Then I took the mare for a short ride in the arena. She was a dream to ride - used mostly voice commands but responded to light leg and rein adjustments too. She is forward, and wanted to go from trot to canter in a hot second, but I was able to bring her around with a very light correction.

I'm calling my instructor tomorrow to have her take a look. If she believes its too much horse, I'll walk away. If she says the horse is a good fit for me, I'll buy.
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Good Luck! Hoping all goes well.
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I did want to comment on one thing: the buy-back contract you mention. As far as I've been able to gather, they're really not legally binding and extremely hard to enforce. Beyond that, I'm not sure you'd be able to convince a seller to sign one that says they'll buy a horse back that turns up lame in a month.
But hey, stranger things have happened!

In my opinion, your trainer (assuming they know you, your abilities, and your goals well) will be your greatest asset. That, and a PPE ;)

Best of luck with horse shopping, I can't wait to see what you buy!

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post #16 of 34 Old 09-12-2017, 07:24 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks QtrBel and Zexious.

My trainer has given me her blessing, and I was able to negotiate down to a sale price I could afford!

Thanks for your input, Zexious. I ended up not asking for the buy-back contract. The seller welcomed the PPE, which will happen Friday. I am not using her vet, but a large-animal vet that was recommended by my small animal vet.

I will introduce the mare here once everything is finalized (don't want to jinx myself).
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Crossing my fingers for you that the PPE goes well! She sounds like a great horse.
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post #19 of 34 Old 09-18-2017, 02:27 AM Thread Starter
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Introducing: Sunshine

Thank you for the luck! All went smoothly and I moved Sunshine to her new barn yesterday. I hope I load the photo properly.
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That will be interesting to see if you end up doing jumping with her. Haven't come across too many Morgans jumping.
She is cute, anyway. Hopefully you will get along great.
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