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post #121 of 134 Old 04-23-2015, 01:08 PM
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I guess you could say I'm "pro treating" . Here's why...
My horse used to be a total b**ch to get from the field. One time two years ago, it took 5 people and 1 1/2 hours to get him. The barn owner of the place I board at is against treating, so in the AM she would go out with his grain and hold the bucket for him while he ate. So slowly he started being easier to catch. But i usually come in between feedings so i would bring him a peppermint(he hates store bought treats) and give it to him if he stood still while being haltered. Now its become kind of a ritual, and after 2 years of having to walk all the way across the field to get him, I whistle and he comes. This ritual has increased the bond between me and Sparky so much. I love it. And he also gets a treat after his workout and if he'll bow for me. But he never ever gets treats if he misbehaves during or after a ride.
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Yes, it is as simple as that, regarding the treating issue, and not letting a horse over step boundaries. I certainly can give my horse treats, and they remain respectful, however, when asked by various people, some with not that much experience in dealing with horses, i have to use the 'do as I say, and not what I do at times)
I read at least one or two posts every other day from people where horses have become aggressive, being fed treats, thus I feel compelled to give the 'by the book answer, 'don't feed treats, by hand esp'
The girl that lost some fingers in that one link, and the woman who had her boob partly bitten off, were not even victims of aggressive horses, but horses going for where they think the food is, and hitting the wrong target
Lastly, other people handle my horses when I go away, and I don't want then handling a horse used to being fed treats, because although I can nix any un desirable behavior, they might not
Lastly, just like feeding our kids a bunch of treats is not good for them, same for the horse. Of course, both love treats and there seems to be a warm fuzzy feeling in the person giving those treats, that is irresistible.
Horses didn't evolve to eat carrots, apples , peppermints, etc.
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just like feeding our kids a bunch of treats is not good for them, same for the horse.
Just for the record, the bag of Luv-It's I have says it is formulated for feeding up to 1 pound per day per 1000 pound horse.

Feeding our kids junk food is not good, but all treats are not junk food.

Sorry Smilie, the devil made me post. I really appreciate your knowledge and posts. I think you may be the trainer that one poster saw sneaking a treat to her horse. JK




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post #124 of 134 Old 04-23-2015, 06:51 PM
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I have a love-hate relationship with treating.

I like the idea of treating, but that's probably because it makes me feel good. Horses don't 'love' but it makes me feel as though my horse does love me if I treat - it's honestly the easiest way to become their best friend.

But then I get resentful of my horse only liking me for treats. My mare actually doesn't get nippy at all, but she does "pocket search" which I find incredibly annoying. Probably one of my biggest pet peeves, it will set me off into a passionate rage faster than a dry Alberta summer wildfire.

And this is why I no longer feed my horse treats. That doesn't mean treats are 100% off limits, sometimes I will give her some if she's been a really good girl or if we're just hanging out, having a lazy and relaxing day together. A non-work day.

If a friend comes out to the barn I always let them give my horse treats before we leave. Non-equine people always like giving horses treats.
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post #125 of 134 Old 04-23-2015, 09:29 PM
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I give treats to my 3 horses,but they can't get pushy or try and mug me for them. For most part i only treat once in a while not a daily thing. They are fed grain twice a day so sometimes i put treats in their feed.

Not against treating but also don't want my horses getting pushy or demanding about it.
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They are fed grain twice a day so sometimes i put treats in their feed.
So... you put treats in their treats! FWIW, depending what the treats, I'd consider quitting them too, with your sore footed horse.
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So... you put treats in their treats! FWIW, depending what the treats, I'd consider quitting them too, with your sore footed horse.
They only get a few peppermints each with feed about every 4 days after we ride. Once in a great while i hand feed them one or two mints.
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hey Hondo, you caught me!
Charlie was so good today, first riding out, and then she did some excellent transitions and spot on trail course work.
Yup, I did give her one of those horse cookie;s that my adult son left behind
Charlie`s not telling, and neither am I!
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Monty Roberts on hand feeding treats..... “This is an example of why I tell my students that I am not a fan of clicker training... it produces horses that bite..
I wish I could say that this has to be one of the stupidest things Monty Roberts has ever said, but sadly, there is a half-truth to it. I just spent three days watching Shawna Karrisch demonstrate clicker-training at the Minnesota Horse Expo. Shawna has actually used clicker training to cure horses that bite. Her book and video stress how to introduce food rewards in a way that teaches good manners and respect for the trainer's space.

What I also learned, unfortunately, is that some people who are attracted to clicker-training imagine all kinds of past abuse to explain their horse's current behavior and want to be their horse's mommy. They not only tolerate bad behavior, they reinforce it. So clicker-training gets a bad name because of inept users, just like every other trainer's system. (I wonder how Monty Roberts likes being judged by the horses owned by his followers?)
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I wish I could say that this has to be one of the stupidest things Monty Roberts has ever said, but sadly,...
....there are just too many other stupid things he's said to pick just one??
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