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post #61 of 134 Old 04-19-2015, 01:59 AM
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RainaIsabella- Wow he looks really good now. and happy. love that face. Surely he deserves a treat or two..or three.
Of course! But if he walked towards you, you would understand he has a round bale stomach :P He is getting fitter with work :)
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The dangers of treats: extreme cuteness and an annoying habit of insisting that you share. He'll drink sprite too
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My boy tries to get me to share my coke or any soft drink I bring down but it ain't going to happen lol
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Does he steel your canned soda off the hitching post, crush it in his teath then tilt his head up and shakes it till there is soda everywhere and he to flings the can across the yard- cause he's so upset its empty? I would punish him, but its really hard when you're on the ground laughing.
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Hello . Hands UP l am bad as I do give my horse treats every time I go see him but NOT to near other horse,s as he does not like his food being shared . I am stopping now . Purplelady
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post #66 of 134 Old 04-19-2015, 09:47 AM Thread Starter
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Monty Roberts on hand feeding treats.....

"First let me say that when I deal with biting horses more than 90% of them have been fed treats from the human hand. When we associate food with the human body we are training horses to bite, science has found that the same is true for sharks and other ocean predators. Often times the owner will say they have never fed from the hand only to find out that the damage was done by a previous owner long before the current one was on the scene."

"During the course of my work, I communicated with the owner and was told that the horse had been trained with the use of the technique called ‘clicker training.’ She went on to say that treats were used as a reward for the behavior desired . This horse would actually stalk me and charge with ears back and mouth open. He was a four-year-old gelding far too dangerous for anyone except a professional accustomed to dealing with this problem.

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"While working with him, I said the following words, “This is an example of why I tell my students that I am not a fan of clicker training, especially when it involves rewards in the form of food offered from the human body. I explained that when food is associated with the human body it produces horses that bite. I believe this and hold that opinion to this day. I was able to improve the horse’s attitude in a thirty-minute session, but one could never say that I produced a certain cure.

I advised the owner to stop feeding from the hand . I told my audience that the clicker part of clicker training is no problem for me. An audible marker signal, in my opinion, can be useful as a part of any training system. The clicker is the audible marker signal. The food acts as the reward for the desired behavior. I realize that some people use clicker training more effectively than others and some are downright inept with this science."

The OP does not necessarily agree with Monty on this but then the OP is a beginner beginner. Just adding to the mix.

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The Answer: Usually, a horse is biting for one of three reasons:

The horse is afraid.
The horse is trying to dominate you.
Sometimes a horse will nip you to indicate he wants to play; this isn’t really biting

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And Judy Goodnight...........

"Hand feeding treats to your horse is the quickest way I know to cause the horse to disrespect your space. Horses are only capable of horse behavior and the order of the herd is linear, each individual of the herd is either subordinate to or dominates every other individual.
Horses establish dominance in the herd by controlling the space (movement and actions) of the subordinate members and the resources of the herd (food and water). In your herd of two, how do you fit into the linear herd hierarchy?"

What's a poor beginner to do? :(
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A good friend that I share summer pasture with gives treats out in the paddocks. The horses mob her as soon as she calls to them. But she likes them coming up close.

I don't give treats. When I go into the paddocks I give a specific whistle to alert the grazing horses that I'm coming. I can approach any one that I want to, but they do not approach or cluster together. I think that is safer. Years ago, I startled a grazing horse or two by not alerting them before I approached. Almost got kicked, that is why I let them know I'm coming in now.

The horses know the difference between the two of us.
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Hondo, you really stirred up an interesting topic! There are lots of good responses here, and it all boils down to: the individual horse with the individual rider. Some situations should never use treats, some situations should use them wisely.
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