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post #21 of 41 Old 04-21-2015, 09:06 PM
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I wanted a list of things he should do with him.
Here's a list:
1. leave him alone
2. repeat #1

You said yourself he won't listen anyhow. If your parents are OK with the risk it's not your problem. If you really want to help that horse try to find him a new home where he will get proper training.
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Good grief, at that age we jumped on anything that remotely resembled a horse with no regard for training. We rarely came off and somehow we figured it out. The horse will probably listen better to your brother than you, they always do.



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post #23 of 41 Old 04-21-2015, 11:02 PM
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I agree with saddlebag on this one. There's nothing wrong with your brother broncing a horse out and getting it to walk/trot/canter like an old farm nag.

Sure it might not be *professional* or *pretty* but if he likes doing it and gets the horse broke then let him have his fun. Heaven knows every kid broncs out a horse thinking it'll be a blast (I did it, my trainer did it, my father did it, my brother did it lol). My brother bronced out a couple of horses for me when he was 13, they were just nags that were going to slaughter unless we got them riding down the road so he just got on, got bucked off, got back on, et cetera. lol Got 'em broke enough that they got a nice home.

He'll either stick with it and get something done or he'll decide it's not worth the bruises and quit. Either way not really you're call to dictate or influence.
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post #24 of 41 Old 04-22-2015, 12:18 PM
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I agree with saddlebag on this one. There's nothing wrong with your brother broncing a horse out and getting it to walk/trot/canter like an old farm nag.

Sure it might not be *professional* or *pretty* but if he likes doing it and gets the horse broke then let him have his fun. Heaven knows every kid broncs out a horse thinking it'll be a blast (I did it, my trainer did it, my father did it, my brother did it lol). My brother bronced out a couple of horses for me when he was 13, they were just nags that were going to slaughter unless we got them riding down the road so he just got on, got bucked off, got back on, et cetera. lol Got 'em broke enough that they got a nice home.

He'll either stick with it and get something done or he'll decide it's not worth the bruises and quit. Either way not really you're call to dictate or influence.
Nothing wrong provided he can & according to the OP he can't, which is why she was looking for training advice.
This isn't a mini bike that if he messes up it's no big deal. An unbroke 11 year old already has a big strike against it, add in any bad habits or fears this venture results in & you end up with another unbroke horse that will cost even more & be harder to retrain correctly, if he ever gets that training.
The only thing (that we know of) that the boy has over the the OP is strenght.
But I agree, nothing anyone can do about it.
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post #25 of 41 Old 04-22-2015, 12:26 PM
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Your brother is a minor.
If your parents are happy to let a 15yo boy do as he wishes, when the ER expenses come out of their pocket, then let him crack on.

He will learn the hard way.
Or he won't.

It's the horse I feel for. Poor creature has minded it's own business for 11 years then some yappy comes along and jumps on his back. Do you know at least WHY the horse was left unbroke for 11 years? Health, attitude? Your brother could be putting himself in some seriously sticky situations if the horse is reacting out of pain or aggression.
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post #26 of 41 Old 04-22-2015, 12:32 PM
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Nothing wrong provided he can & according to the OP he can't, which is why she was looking for training advice.
This isn't a mini bike that if he messes up it's no big deal. An unbroke 11 year old already has a big strike against it, add in any bad habits or fears this venture results in & you end up with another unbroke horse that will cost even more & be harder to retrain correctly, if he ever gets that training.
The only thing (that we know of) that the boy has over the the OP is strenght.
But I agree, nothing anyone can do about it.

That's why I said I feel bad for the horse in a previous post. I'll be impressed if it turns out well after an untrained child training it, but I suppose there's a slim chance it will. Still not much you can do save let him.
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post #27 of 41 Old 04-22-2015, 02:09 PM Thread Starter
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This horse was seriously neglected. His hooves are a mile long (Exaggeration), he has tons of burrs in his mane and it is matted beyond belief. I think we are going to have to chop it off. Anyway. My brother went out yesterday and caught him after about 5 minutes. He worked on leading and by the end of his session, he was good with walking in circles, turning, and backing. He groomed him a little. He tied him to the fence(I forgot to tell him he's probably never been tied before) and whew. That gelding went crazy. He somehow got the rope over his head and then flipped out. But, my brother got it untied, got him calmed down and walked a bit longer, groomed him some, and then let him go. He is a spoiled brat, though. Been babied his whole life. (That is, when the owner came out.) When he walks, you can see his ribs. :(
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post #28 of 41 Old 04-22-2015, 02:39 PM
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I would say that there are more than a few of us who learned how to ride/train through necessity, rather than lessons. When I was a kid me and my brothers used to climb the tree in the pasture and wait for one of dads brood mares to walk by, then slip onto their back and see what happened...... ALL of us are still alive and I never broke a bone as a result of a riding incident till I was 28yo.

It didn't take many of those lessons from those old brood mares before dad had us breaking colts. We had great mentors, and we had resources if we wanted them.

I guess my point is this. If your brother wants to do it all on his own, and is getting reasonable results, let him. He will learn more from that horse than he will ever learn from you. If he gets hurt, or gives up cause its not working, well that is between he and your folks.

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Thanks, Jimmyp. I am nervous because that horse is a spoiled brat and has no manners. Sure, he learns quickly but still..
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People are injured or killed by horses everyday, people who know horses well. In the realm of horse related injuries, there are far worse things than being killed. I was ultimately lucky. There is a real possibility your brother will get hurt. There is a real possibility this horse will never make. Make sure everyone is prepared for that.

At 15yo, you will never tell him anything. I taught middle school for quite a while, and currently teach at a high school. For about the next 5-6yrs, no one will be able to tell him anything. He will have to learn the hard way.

But if it works both will have learned ALOT.
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