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post #21 of 34 Old 08-14-2017, 05:09 PM
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So sad that situations like this happen. Be sure to get all the legal paperwork done. If the horse is a quiet gentle ride it does not matter what you paid the the horse.
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we were told he is 2. From the owners friends of the other cob we have. He didnt come with a passport.
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post #23 of 34 Old 08-14-2017, 06:53 PM
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If he is 2 then he really doesn't need to be ridden yet. My preference is for starting as a 4 y.o. but there are many that will start putting weight late in the third year with a few light rides and pick up after the 4th birthday. They are still immature babies at 2. The vet can check his teeth and give you an estimate.
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post #24 of 34 Old 08-14-2017, 08:08 PM
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Where are the horses residing at the moment? On your property? The so called friends? Or somewhere else?
I would get these horses away from the so called friends but first make sure you have all paperwork needed to prove your ownership. For now I would just tell them that you don't wish to sell her at the moment and that you like her so you are going to try to correct her problems. If they are already on your property and anywhere other than the so called friends, as soon as I had paperwork in hand, I would tell them to bug off. Get a new vet, new farrier and go to work on her. I'm sure she is worth it if her temperament is what you say it is.

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post #25 of 34 Old 08-14-2017, 10:30 PM
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If she keeps pulling shoes... is just keeping her barefoot an option? You'd still want overreach boots on her so she doesn't injure her heel bulbs, but it seems to me that ditching the shoes would save a lot of headache and cost, at least until you have a better idea of what's happening and why.
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post #26 of 34 Old 08-14-2017, 10:36 PM
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I got my horse from "friends" who sound very similar to yours! They were my neighbors and they bred horses as well as "rescuing" horses and then selling them. I was a stupid beginner and they sold me a 6-month-old filly and told me I'd be riding her all over the place without supervision by the time she was a year old. I believed them LOL. I boarded her there and went there every day to groom her and "learn" from the "friends." Even after I caught on that they were total swindlers, I kept pretending like I didn't know what was going on and just went and hung out pretending to be even dumber than I was, watching them swindle people. I may not have learned every trick in the book but saw enough to be very, very careful of horse dealers!

Their very favorite trick was to sell a horse for a low price to a person they knew wouldn't be able to feed the horse through the winter. The new owners would usually eventually bring the horse back, skin and bones with long hooves, and beg the swindlers to take the horse back. So they'd "rescue" it, fatten it up, and sell it to the next sucker!

Another trick they would pull would be to sell a horse for a price much higher than it was worth, which is what they THOUGHT they were doing when they sold me that filly! I'm sure they also figured that I'd end up giving her back to them once I figured out she was too much horse for me. They didn't know me too well LOL. I may have been a total beginner with horses but I wasn't about to give her back to them, or sell her to them, or let her step foot on their property again! They'd give anything to have her back now, LOL. She's worth every penny I paid for her. Once I brought her to a good trainer and a good farrier, put some weight on her etc., she turned out to be one heck of a horse. I've spent a ton of $ on lessons and training etc. but it's been worth it.

I've been told that, if a person who knew what they were doing had her, she'd do great at horse shows. Once her feet were trimmed up right, her beautiful movement became apparent. A few show people have tried to get her from me! NOPE - I'm keeping my little "diamond in the rough" that I got from those no-good "friends." I may not know what I'm doing and I may never be good enough to show her but that's quite alright with me!

May you have great success with your mare, and may karma bite those friends of yours on their butts :)

OH YEAH! They also got VERY UPSET whenever I'd mention bringing a vet out, or a dentist to check her teeth. I later realized it was because they didn't want anybody who really knew about horses seeing their setup, their poor nutrition etc. etc. The woman threw an absolute fit when I told her I was bringing Ona to a trainer. She cried great big crocodile tears and told me the trainer was "very hard on horses" and would abuse her. What a laugh.

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post #27 of 34 Old 08-14-2017, 11:01 PM
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Hi, responding to your initial post first, before I read further.

Originally Posted by Stephaniew9092 View Post
I have a 5 year old mare COB 14:2. She is very placid and is obese. I have had her 2 weeks.
Altho I did see your second post. If she's lost a lot of weight/girth in only 2 weeks, there may be a health/diet problem.

have bought her 2 different types of over reach boots and it doesn't stop her kicking her front left shoe off. Her over reach is the back right foot hitting the front left
Yeah, boots don't stop it, just (hopefully) minimise damage. I'd be looking at what is wrong with her that is *causing* her to do it & see about treating that. A chiropractic vet would be my first port of call on that note.

and kicking the shoe off. She's kicked it off 3 times since I've had her.
I'm not dead against shoes, but I would be very reticent to put shoes on a 5yo horse, and if she was doing that, I'd ditch the shoes anyway.

to know if she was worth the 3500 as we have bought another and he was no where near that price.
It's all relative & I suppose you could say a horse is 'worth' whatever someone is willing to pay. $3K AUD is a lot of money for a 'normal' kind of horse IMO, & GBP are worth more than $$... Depends what the breed, the training the horse has had... But then I've worked for people who had 20+yo not so sound trail hack & they reckon they got a bargain because the horse was 'only' a few K! But from what you say at the end of your first post, sorry to say, but my gut feeling is you were seriously ripped off.

I would also like to know if i can fix an over reach?
Depends on the cause & how far the damage has gone. That's a question for your vet chiro, not here.

have noticed 5 splints on her and say they will be because she has thrown her shoe off 3 times. I'm very confused how suddenly these things are cropping up,
Sounds like baloney to me. It is *possible* that if she were kicking her leg rather than hoof, the overreaching(not the lost shoe) could cause a 'splint'. But if that were so, it would also cause a wound & bad bruise - at the very least, some bark off wherever she hit. Splints though, generally come about from horses being worked too young, too hard, especially in metal shoes, which increase shock.

they are wanting to buy her but say now she has 5 splints the horse isn't even worth 100.
What lovely 'friends'! Just trying to take you to the cleaners(again) after offloading their horse onto you I'm afraid!
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post #28 of 34 Old 08-14-2017, 11:09 PM
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I suspect that the way her feet are trimmed has some influence. She is very much back at the knee in front.
Yeah, often it can be about trimming, and the back at the knee confo is an issue, but if she's hitting her opposite fore, then I strongly suspect there is a hip/pelvis issue.
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post #29 of 34 Old 08-14-2017, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephaniew9092 View Post
told by my friends that basically i didnt know what i was on about and it was an over reach and nothing can ever be done to sort it and that we have basically ruined her.
So... YOU supposedly caused the overreaching prob somehow in the last 2 weeks according to them?? Not likely, but if it IS a very recent prob - maybe she slipped in the paddock & put her back out or such - that also means it's far more likely fixable with some good bodywork.

When i bought her (for the kids) i got told that she would be perfect, now they are telling me they wouldn't even put theirs on her and ask me how much i want for her. SHES NOT FORSALE YOU AREN'T HAVING HER BACK!!! She's mine and i'm fixing her :) They made me feel like she was a lost cause saying shes ruined and that shes worth 100 in MEAT!!!!
They sound like nasty people that are trying to take further advantage of you. Not 'friends' in my book in the least!
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post #30 of 34 Old 08-15-2017, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Stephaniew9092 View Post
apparently they have had her since birth. They are now saying the horse throws a shoe when its not controlled properly. My head is fried. As soon as i mentioned i was getting a vet to look at her they got very defensive which is raising alot of questions. Maybe they dont want me to know the splints were already there and that the horse was not worth what i paid and is worth more than 100 which is basically what they are trying to drill into our heads so we sell her to them.
If they've had her from birth, by law, they should have passported her at birth and had her microchipped.
When you bought her they should have sent that passport off to the agency to have it changed into your name and the agency would mail it directly to you
They can't sell her for meat unless they do it illegally - the passporting system makes that almost impossible to do now.
Something seems off to me.
You need to demand to have that passport and get the vet out.

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