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post #1 of 21 Old 01-15-2016, 11:54 AM Thread Starter
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Hi! I just got my horse and he is great except that i have a problem getting his trust. any techniques i could use with him to gain his trust and make a good bond?
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post #2 of 21 Old 01-15-2016, 08:31 PM
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Can you elaborate on problems getting his trust?
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post #3 of 21 Old 01-21-2016, 10:53 AM Thread Starter
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yes

he walks away and is sometimes like DON'T TOUCH ME and will bring his bum around toward me. he does most of this then i groom him.
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post #4 of 21 Old 01-21-2016, 11:04 AM
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Tie him up.
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post #5 of 21 Old 01-21-2016, 11:05 AM
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Why isn't he tied up when you are grooming him? Anytime that bum comes around towards you there should be consequences, and here is where the internet is NO HELP, and you need, as advised elsewhere, HANDS ON HELP.

You see depending on the horse, the day, and the intention, swinging the bum around might need a hand laid on and saying over, a dig with a pointy thumb, and "over" all the way up to a full blooded and very hard whack, and a "you are about to die if you ever do that again"

If you are unable to read your horse, then you need someone to help you, no shame in that, none of us were born knowing this stuff, we had people show us

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More time in the round pen honestly. Make him move his feet, start with forward, then backwards then get him yielding his hindquarters etc. The boss is the one who can make the other one move (odds are you're moving when he brings his bum around towards you so he feels like he is in charge)
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post #7 of 21 Old 01-21-2016, 11:22 AM
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You just got the horse and are trying to figure him out, so is he trying to figure you out. Trust in each other doesn't always happen over night and could easily take months. As long as he is simply turning away from you and is not threatening, I would just ignore it. Some horses are not used to affection from people and some don't have a need for it. Just be consistent when working with him and fair when correcting him. With a new horse I expect good behavior but it doesn't initially have to be perfect
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Just be consistent when working with him and fair when correcting him. With a new horse I expect good behavior but it doesn't initially have to be perfect
Textan is right consistent and fair

Let go of the NEED for trust right now. It will come on its own. When you make a new friend can they "make" you trust them? Can you make then trust you? How does that trust grow? What causes a person to not trust other people? The same goes for horse.

I don't worry much about trust when working with a new horse...really I don't worry much about trust ever now that I think about it. Trust come through be consistent the more consistent you are the more you horse will trust that they know what you want from them and where they stand in your little herd of two. If you are not consistent with rewards and with punishment your horse will not trust you because they will not know what is expected of them in any given moment.

Put you self in your horses place do you like people that are consistent and fair? Do you like clear defined boundaries with clear and fair consequences? Your horse is the same way in a herd they want and need boundaries they what to know how is the boss.

I have a herd of 30 horses some of them have been here for more the 10 years. They know how the boss horses are and where each horse fits in the pecking order. When I buy a new horse and there is stress in the herd there is fighting up and down the pecking order until each horse knows it place in the new herd. Some times that take a week or months and once it took almost a year.

The trust will come once your horse know you and understand that you are the boss and that you are consistent and fair. Read all you can about herd behavior don't expect your horse to act like a human it's a horse it looks at you as a two legged horse it understand you when you respond as a horse would respond, when you act like a human that is foreign to your horse.

So get help, read, learn, study to know how you horse sees the world.
Be consistent and fair. Set rules and hold you horse to those rule.

Good luck enjoy your time with your horse
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post #9 of 21 Old 01-25-2016, 06:08 PM Thread Starter
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got it

i found a trust technique and alls well. im herd leader and he is 2nd in command (not really)
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Care to share what technique is that?
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