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post #1 of 13 Old 09-17-2019, 03:57 PM Thread Starter
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Hired help ?!?!?

I'm building a horse paddock I need immediately and a helping hand would be great. There are two fellows I know, both about 50 y.o., a $30/hr. & $10/hr. one. The $30hr. guy is fantastic, a contractor with quality tools...but he's always booked 3 months in advance.

The $10hr. guy works for lots of neighbors, lawn care, etc.

Last week I hired the $10 guy. He talks non-stop. You have to show him 3 times what to do. Even then he doesn't get it. He never could figure out vice grip pliers. After I injured my hand (stupid mistake, I can't think with someone yakking! I got stitches in nearby hospital).

I paid him, now I'm working by myself (wife helps some...she's great, but can't do heavy lifting).

I'm curious experiences others have with hired help!

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post #2 of 13 Old 09-17-2019, 04:18 PM
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You get what you pay for. If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys. Unless it's a friend or relative that wants to help you out, go with the contractor guy and wait three months.

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post #3 of 13 Old 09-17-2019, 05:14 PM
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I agree with waresbear. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule but generally it rings true.

Put an advert in the local paper and see if a retired building worker wants to earn some cash in hand.

As for finding out mistakes, I have made several with hiring people - the most clueless were those that came from a prestigious equine college.
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post #4 of 13 Old 09-17-2019, 05:24 PM
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The monkeys my husband hired to help him redo our deck, are off playing in the trees somewhere, lol. I told him to just bite the bullet and hire a contractor but no! So we're facing winter and our deck is still tarped over and not done! He says he can do it himself, I told him he's got till the end of the month then I am calling someone to finish the job.

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post #5 of 13 Old 09-17-2019, 05:34 PM
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the most clueless were those that came from a prestigious equine college.
I know this is off-topic, but I find it so funny that you've noticed that too. I actually attend a relatively prestigious equine college (except my major is biology, not equine) and even as a non-equine major, I've noticed there are TONS of people in the equine major who know little to nothing. There is no prerequisite to get into the equine program. I know freshmen who have touched a horse twice in their lives and are equine majors, expecting to be certified trainers after getting a two or four year degree. Half the time, equine college is the place that non-experienced people think they need to go to become horse professionals, and experience means nothing in their minds. The most knowledgeable horse people I know never went to college.

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post #6 of 13 Old 09-17-2019, 07:41 PM
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As for finding out mistakes, I have made several with hiring people - the most clueless were those that came from a prestigious equine college.
Whether equine or otherwise, I wonder about some with 'formal education' & no actual life experience. My old boss used to call them 'educated idiots'. We even had a new out of school medical doctor come ask to do some work at the Trail Co in exchange for being taught about horses & riding. Couldn't seem to teach him a thing though, couldn't even get his head around any first aid or basic medical treatment of horses - he wouldn't believe that he could do as he'd learned on humans!

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post #7 of 13 Old 09-18-2019, 02:45 AM
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The very worse employee I had the joy of taking on, was a woman to cover for me whilst I was on holiday in the US for a month.

When she came for the interview she was very pleasant and knowledgeable. Boss checked her references and hey were very good. These were all in Eire and she spoke with a strong Irish accent. The arrangement was that she would live in my cottage whilst I was away.

The horses were all turned out 24/7 for their summer break.

I received a phone call from her at 2 a.m. Complaining about my other worker and many other things.

When I returned the first thing Boss said to me was, "You are NEVER going away on holiday again!"

This woman had been a nightmare. She had brought the horses into work, had a different farrier come in to shoe them, told me that one of the horses had peritonitis and was on antibiotics and needed his last jab. I said I would give it and she told me he was bad to inject.

I walked into Spud's stable and he immediately got wide eyed and up tight. I walked to him and when he realised he was going to have a jab he tried to run around the stable. I just told him "Eh! What do you think you're doing?" He stoped and I jabbed him. He didn't move. Meantime she had rushed to get a halter and the twitch.

She had the next day off and by coincidence my telephone bill arrived. Normally this was around 45 -55 this time it was near,y 400. I had itemised calls and on going through them found that she had called people in Eire and one call was over 60, nearly 2 hrs long.

My freezer was empty near enough, my booze cupboard was the same and also all the wine I had was gone. The place had been sprayed with an aerosol but she hadn't picked up all the roaches she had smoked.

I was soon receiving calls about her and what she had been saying, mainly that the Boss was going to get rid of me as she was a better employee.

It all culminated with a big show down.

She had a two yr old gypsy cob there. It was turned out with my 2 yr old. She was meant to be moving it on the Sunday. I told her I would get it in and was told that if I even touched her horse she would sue me.

I brought both in and had them in stables when she arrived to move him. Boss paid her minus the money for the phone bill. If she was angry before she was furious after this and honestly had expected a bonus.

We had words. I fully admit I enjoy and good argument! She was so mad and I kept totally calm. This enraged her even more.

Eventually she haltered her horse and started to lead him out the yard. I mad the remark, "Good riddence to bad rubbish as she was going out the gate.

She dropped her horse's rope and raced to be in front of me, really close. I was taller than her and also stood in the doorway of the stable which had a step up. She grabbed my hair with both hands and pulled. I didn't move but stared her strict in the eyes and told her to let go. I was thinking how stupid she was as I could have killed her with two fingers to her throat, she was totally open to attack.

She cussed and swore at me and I just kept telling her to let go of my hair. She did with one hand and drew her arm back to hit me across the face. I grabbed her arm and had it in a reverse arm lock. That was hurting her but she still had my hair with her other hand.

I just exerted a bit more pressure telling her that not only would I break her arm I would also dislocate it.

Her response was to tell me to do it and she would sue.

I was tempted but still kept my cool telling her that she could try but, not my fault she lead her horse away and something happened and she got hurt. Big young horse and she quite small.

She pointed out that thismwas a lie. I agreed and asked her who would be believed, me who had lived in the area for several years and not fallen out with anyone, or, her who had been there a month and caused more trouble locally than most?

She let go and grabbed her horse and went off.

The references she had given that the boss checked were all false numbers. We found out one she had said she had worked for and when asked he said he wouldn't let her within a mile of his place!

Big mistake on my behalf.
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I've hired quite a variety over the years.

It didn't matter if they were day workers for the ranch, movers for the house, or therapists for hospital work. They ran the gamut from sullen to almost manic. Quick learners to a couple that I wondered how they found their way back every day.

I've had cowboys who wore suit jackets, and therapists who dressed as homeless. And visa versa.

Some positively valuable folks. Some with alcohol and drug problems. In both fields.

I've had to put gas in the vehicle of more than one ranch hand hopeful so they could head home when they found out that our pastures are really big and they didn't like working alone. That seems to weed out more people than the harsh weather

A couple college kids were ready to quit their studies and cowboy full-time. I discouraged that. They'd be more valuable with a degree and have more options, should life do something life like.

Still friends with many employees, employers, and former co-workers.

All enriched my life.
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Years ago we used to drag race and had different people wanting to help, wrench on cars, etc., but then we would have tools missing. Now we're funny about who we let here working on things.
There are some nice people in the world, but some you'd be better off never letting set foot on your place (like Foxhunter story...wow!). Over the years a few people find out later were schizophrenic or a pedophile or just a plain thief!


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post #10 of 13 Old 09-19-2019, 01:42 AM
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You have no relatives that could come over for a barbecue and paddock building party? They will usually fall for it once, unfortunately I've used my "once" on the relatives already, but they were pretty useless to begin with, lol.

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