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post #21 of 41 Old 09-08-2014, 09:44 PM
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There are dishonest people in every single business in the world. I've been most fortunate to find honest ones in the horse world. I could list examples forever, but I have to admit that when a horse didn't work out, it was usually because I overestimated my abilities, or I fell in love with a horse and overrode my own best judgment.

The mare I'm riding now is perfect for me and honestly, if I didn't have her, I probably wouldn't be riding. Blossom is my Mr. Gibbs. I barely survived my major wreck and it left me with permanent injuries that have slowed me down considerably. I trusted her owner who took the time to listen and understand what I was looking for. He knew he had a treasure and wouldn't let her go until I demonstrated that my hands were light and my seat balanced.

There ARE good people in the horse world. They are out there. As you become more experienced it will be easier to separate the wheat from the chaff. Experience will tell you that 5 is too young for a beginner. You have to swallow your pride and look at your abilities and expectations with total honesty and you may not even have the experience to do that. One of the hardest things for beginners is that they don't know what they don't know. It's almost like newbies and experienced horse people are using the same language, but the meanings are different. The expectations are different. The wisest thing a person new to horses can do is find an experienced trainer and let THEM find a horse for them.

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post #22 of 41 Old 09-08-2014, 11:09 PM Thread Starter
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My instructor actually found my pony for me through our local pony club, sent us an email saying that she thought she would suit me. She recommended that we go and look at her and said that she knew the people well, and that they were honest. Hopefully, I'll be able to learn to be more confident and assertive, and get the pony out of the habits shes in, like trying to test me out. :)
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post #23 of 41 Old 09-08-2014, 11:13 PM
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It's almost like newbies and experienced horse people are using the same language, but the meanings are different.
Reminds me of the first time I read 'True Unity' by Tom Dorrance. I persevered through a couple of chapters, but it was complete gobbldigook to me, so I put it away. Picked it up years later & couldn't understand what I'd found so impossible about it - all seemed common sense!
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post #24 of 41 Old 09-09-2014, 12:07 AM
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Years ago I picked up a riding pony that was being sold because the person they bought her from said she was child safe but they must have drugged her when they went to see her...yada, yada, yada and it turned out she wasn't suitable for their grandchildren.

That crazy, drugged up pony was one of my BEST purchases ever. My great nieces & nephews and other kids enjoyed the heck out of that pony. One kid could be riding with 3 or 4 others chasing after them yelling, "My turn!" and she never batted an eye over it. Would stand and not move a muscle while they learned grooming & saddling techniques. She was big enough small adults could ride her as well and everyone fell in love with her.

Why they couldn't get along with her I don't know but I would happily own a whole herd of ponies just like her.

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post #25 of 41 Old 09-09-2014, 02:30 AM
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^^^ Such a cute horse! :) I love hearing about good matches after bad matches.

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post #26 of 41 Old 09-09-2014, 04:18 AM
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And as a seller, I sometimes wonder if people listen to what I'm saying.

I have a horse now that is for sale. A decent enough big horse for ranch work, but he will test a person, does best with regular riding, and I present him as such. People have seen me on him and because he goes quietly, I'm hearing "Oh, he'd be perfect for (larger,recreational rider a, b, or c)."

No he wouldn't. He would dump anyone of them because they don't have regular work for him - rarely riding, and sit like lumps on a horse.

Years ago I had a gorgeous grey gelding. Stunning horse. Absolutely not for anyone but an experienced horseman. But, because of his looks, all the offers I got were for youth showing. I'd say "no." Buyers argued with me! This gelding was a stinker for attitude, I'd tell people that and they would gush about how he'd look good packing "junior" in a ring. No, he'd look like a psychopath with immunity against prosecution, if given the chance.

I finally gave him to a sheepherder to go live in the mountains. They've done well together, and he's careful about who he lets ride the horse.

I've successfully paired horses and riders for many years. Like Foxhunter, I occasionally see a new owner of a horse that sometimes doesn't see the little signs that pop up in their day to day interactions with their new mount and tiny issues become big ones.
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I too have given the odd quirky horse away rather than have it go from pillar to post.

I did, I fully admit, sell one 14.2 pony mare to a woman for her granddaughter that was totally unsuitable.

The mare had arrived from Eire about six weeks previously. On arrival she had been turned out in a 5 acre paddock with others. We had been unable to catch her. If you got her anything like cornered she jumped the 5' fence and then, later would jump back in of her own accord.

When shipping was stopped because of very rough weather, and we didn't have anything much to sell, we made a concerted effort and managed to catch her.

I rode her in the field and she was a nutter! She could fly leap, rear and tank off like a professional. I worked her hard and when she settled popped her over some fences. That was fun, she livened up again and would try and jump anything in front of her and if you tried to check her she fly leapt.
We had just finished when a Rolls Royce drove in. The chauffeur got out and opened the door for an elderly lady, very smartly dressed with reins on her fingers probably worth more than I would earn in fifty years!
She wanted a pony for her g/daughter who might have won at a gymkhana if she had her own pony. She remarked she liked the look of the one I was riding (now stood, dripping sweat with her head down) as it jumped even when there wasn't a fence there!

I was totally honest with her that this pony was not suitable for a young rider and that it would be best to have the child come rode so I could see what was suitable.
She was adamant that this was theory she wanted. I tried to dissuade her but she was determined.
I would have taken £250 for the pony and been well in pocket but knowing it was a fated match I asked £1,000 to which the woman agreed.
She went to a garage and got a tow bar fitted to the roller, went to a neighbour who sold trailers and returned with a trailer attached and cash for me.

I was insistent that she returned the pony of the child didn't get on with it.

The saving grace for me was that they were going to turn her out in a 20 acre paddock until the stables were built.

I never heard another word from her, I doubt they were ever able to even catch the pony let alone ride it!

That woman was out to buy a pony regardless and if I didn't sell to her someone else would.
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post #28 of 41 Old 09-09-2014, 10:52 AM
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but is pigrooting really beginner safe? We call it a pigroot, but I think it is the same as a crow hop. Sort of like a miniature buck, but not nearly as bad.
any horse has the potential to pigroot(crow hop where I'm from), buck, rear, bolt, refuse to go, run home, bite, kick, or any combo there of. Its what a horse will tolerate, forgive and overlook that makes it a true beginners horse or not.

Every horse has a breaking point. some, like older horses with 1000's of miles of being ridden by knowledgeable riders, with the right temperament, have a very, very high tolerance. They have no desire to test, they just arnt that sort. They have a willing disposition to begin with, very patient and kind. Pair that with the training(10+ years of it) and you have a true beginners horse. Spoil it, yank on it, have a double standard where a behaviour is ok one day and condemned the next, eventually you will get any horse misbehaving. Some are less tolerant and forgiving.

some horses do well with beginners occasionally, or under supervision. Some might behave to the level where the rider thinks a beginner could handle them, but the horse cant tolerate a beginner.

but what it really comes down to, is experience level should add up to expert. So a beginner + a 20 year old school master = good match. a green horse + a very experienced rider = a good match. Theoretically. a horse that is still young and learning, plus a green rider, is a bad idea.
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I didn't read all the posts so this might have been said (probably repeatedly) but the best way I've found to buy a horse is:

1) Get a trial period if you can. Not everyone will do that, but some will, especially if it comes from a friend-of-a-friend. That's how I bought the best horse I ever owned. He came from a friend of a friend and I got him on a two week trial and after a week I knew I had to have him. I didn't really know the seller well myself, but a friend of mine did, and I'm sure she put in a good word that I took care of my horses. And also, I felt comfortable dealing with someone that at least someone I knew, knew semi-well. So it worked out perfect.

2) Get another set of eyes to go with you, preferably a very experienced horse person. I did everything "wrong" with my last horse purchase. I did one short test-ride and was unable to get a trial period as the horse was slated to go to auction. So I basically bought her after riding her for 20 minutes. NOT the way to buy a horse, in my opinion, but my friend used to be a horse trader and evaluated the horse with me and felt she would work out, and she did. I love my mare! But it could very easily have gone wrong and the only reason I took the chance is my friend was very confident in her ability to judge the horse.

So those are my "happy ending" stories.

Then I also have the story of the two horses I bought that couldn't be ridden separately. Boy was I dumb on that one. But I also learned to be a lot more cautious in horse shopping.

Of course any horse can take advantage of a beginner and the beginner has to do their part to learn how to control a horse. But I am talking about problems beyond that. You really don't want to buy someone's "problem child" if you can help it.
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post #30 of 41 Old 09-09-2014, 06:39 PM Thread Starter
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Also, try and buy horses through people you know. I got my pony because my riding instructor found her through a good friend that she knows through the local pony club. She recommended that we go for a look. Shes a good horse (even though shes at that annoying stage of testing me out ). When we were looking through Gumtree and noticeboards, the horses we looked at were starved, drugged, full of vices or impossible to control. Lesson learnt: ask people you know and like that are good with horses and have contacts. :)
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