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post #31 of 41 Old 09-09-2014, 09:09 PM
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Most of the time the person makes the horse IMO. Not that there aren't good and bad horses, just that a horse has a brain and often will act differently for different people. A great example was my cousins old mare Sugar Baby (ironic name cause she was a B!) Anyway at first she could ride her even though the mare would toss her head or refuse to go sometimes. Then she started trying to kick you if you got near her while she was being held. Although I could get on her and she was perfect, actually one of the better riding horses I've been on. Then eventually she decided she had tested my cousin enough times without really being corrected that she just started flat out just laying down on her. They never could get that horse to act right and just got scared of her. So they found this guy who wanted a horse that had issues and wouldn't be boring. They insisted she was awful but that's what he wanted so they sold her to him. Well about 3 weeks later he came back and told them the horse was to docile and his grandkids were riding her all over the place and she wasn't what he wanted. HAHA I don't know if he kept her or not but that just goes to show that horses know who can handle them and who cant.
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Any ideas on how to correct her without being cruel, but showing her whos boss still effectively?
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post #33 of 41 Old 09-09-2014, 10:01 PM
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Years ago I picked up a riding pony that was being sold because the person they bought her from said she was child safe but they must have drugged her when they went to see her...yada, yada, yada and it turned out she wasn't suitable for their grandchildren.

That crazy, drugged up pony was one of my BEST purchases ever. My great nieces & nephews and other kids enjoyed the heck out of that pony. One kid could be riding with 3 or 4 others chasing after them yelling, "My turn!" and she never batted an eye over it. Would stand and not move a muscle while they learned grooming & saddling techniques. She was big enough small adults could ride her as well and everyone fell in love with her.

Why they couldn't get along with her I don't know but I would happily own a whole herd of ponies just like her.
That sounds very similar to what happened to my friend. She was given a "crazy, psycho" TB mare she wanted to retrain as her next eventer. The horse ended up being a complete deadhead and never tried anything with her so she just ended up being her beginner husband's horse.

Dropping this article by again. Very good read and a lot to take in consideration when bringing home any horse.

− But I wanted a horse that was beginner safe!
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Buying a horse is just one of those things where you sometimes have to "hope and pray" the seller isn't a nut job.

The first horse I went to go look at the seller (found out he was actually a trader) had sold said horse at the auction... THE WEEK BEFORE I talked to him about coming out although he tried to sell me a kid broke horse for six figures. Actually the sellers of another horse I looked at went to go look at one of his horses. The husband who used to ride broncs for fun got bucked off one of his "broke, broke, broke" horses

Another horse was all go-go-go. I had to jam my left leg into her side and I stopped her sideways in the fence. I guess I should have realized the seller didn't know squat when she blamed the horse's forwardness on her Doc Bar breeding...

Another horse by another dealer that I have heard nothing but good things about: showed up horse was caught and tied up. (I know I should have asked to see him caught but I wasn't thinking). Anyways, asked her a few questions about How long she had him?: "Less than 2 weeks". Who did you get him from?: "I think my dealer got him from a ranch". How old is he?: "I'd guess around 12". Asked her to ride him first -- he was off, started drooling excessively, wouldn't trot he would either canter or walk. I will give it to him that he wasn't bucking or rearing.
That was when I decided to stop looking at horse traders/dealers... it just isn't worth the headache.

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post #35 of 41 Old 09-09-2014, 10:56 PM
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Any ideas on how to correct her without being cruel, but showing her whos boss still effectively?
I don't know your pony's temperament and I don't know if she is truly a pony or if you're just using that term. All I can tell you is from my own experience with my almost pony. At 14.2 Big was borderline horse, borderline pony and all pony brain. He tested everyone, always, and if you failed the test you got absolutely nowhere with him. He was an absolute tank and a trail warrior. You didn't point him somewhere if you had any doubts about going....because he was absolutely fearless. He would try anything.

When I bought him, I was bored with my horse and wanted a challenge. He was certainly a challenge: willful, opinionated, but never mean.. None of my friends would ride him. I rode him for 7 years and we became a team. The way I did it was to never, ever let him doubt who was calling the shots in our little partnership. I never, ever laid a crop or hand on him in anger, but there were a few times when he was convinced he was going to die. One memorable day he was more grumpy than usual and made the mistake of snapping at me. I had a manure fork in my hand and I waved it in the air, jumping up and down and shrieking like a banshee. I'm sure he thought "WHAT THE HECK DID I DO??????" That was the last time he ever snapped, nipped or tried to bite.

When I asked him to do something, I expected him to do it. I asked, then I told....and finally, I demanded. If you gave Big an inch, he would think he had permission to take a mile. You could NOT cut him any slack and you had to be totally consistent. Always. I can't tell you how many times we circled when he wanted to head back and I didn't. If your pony is like mine was you have to be clear about what you are asking and you cannot let him avoid doing it! No excuses. No "I'm tired, I'll finish this tomorrow." "No, it's late, I need to get home." You win any dispute and you IMMEDIATELY reward him for anything he does right. You remove the pressure the instant he complies with your request or demand. Your trainer can help you understand this. Always end every session or every ride on a good note. You don't have to be mean or cruel. You have to be fair. You have to be assertive. You can't ask him to do something and then change your mind and let it slide. He doesn't understand that. It will confuse him. The clearer you are about what you want....and that you will continue to want it until he performs, the faster the testing will end.

Big stopped testing me, but he NEVER stopped testing anyone else who got on his back. We ended up with a pretty great relationship for many years even though he was always a PIA for anyone else. You can do this. It doesn't require any special horsemanship skills. Just never, ever forget that he may be stronger (and you don't EVER want to get into a battle of strength with a horse and teach him that he IS stronger...) but you are smarter. He'll learn to depend on you for leadership. Cause you ARE smarter. Right? You can do this.

I'm not a complete idiot--there are parts missing!

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post #36 of 41 Old 09-09-2014, 11:10 PM
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Any ideas on how to correct her without being cruel, but showing her whos boss still effectively?
Yes, many You would do better reading & writing in the training section about that tho. & be more specific as to what you ask - how to correct her & 'be boss' is a huge question, but I suspect you only have big questions for now so IMHO I respectfully think you need hands on help of a good trainer/instructor, rather than just on the net. We're good for throwing opinions & ideas around, but we can't teach you how to handle a horse, from scratch, know what you're doing/doing wrong, what signs the horse is giving you...
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Yeah, I have a good instructor (next door neighbour, which is really convenient :)) She is a pony (14.1hh). I am being assertive as I can, and my instructor told me that when she plays up with me, dont get scared, get angry with herand talk firmly. Also, she said if shes tossing her head/pigrooting, then give her a kick and hold on. I am not as nervous now with dealing with them being stubborn (not bucking or rearing, just mild stubbornness,) coz I was lucky enough to be able to ride a very old stubborn horse (she would back halfway down the hills before I could do anything with her! :) The thing is, I know shes a great horse, I just need to be more assertive and show her whos boss. Thanks for your advice HagonNag and loosie. :)
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Earlier this year, when I was in the market for a horse, I went to see four horses. Being fairly new to the world of horses and completely new to the world of purchasing horses, my riding instructor came with me to give me her opinion of the horses and ask all the right questions.

Man, was I glad she came along! The first horse we went to see was a 5 year old paint mare. This mare was incredibly sweet and had the kindest eyes. However, she was quite overweight...or so I thought. Turns out, this horse was pregnant and the sellers were trying to pull the wool over my eyes. My instructor was the first one to point it out to me and when we confronted the seller about it, she told us that the mare just had a hay belly. I trusted my instructor and passed on the horse.

A couple months later, the seller had a two for one deal going on for the mare and her new foal.
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post #39 of 41 Old 09-10-2014, 02:06 AM
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when she plays up with me, dont get scared, get angry with herand talk firmly. Also, she said if shes tossing her head/pigrooting, then give her a kick and hold on.
Well, like I said, we're not there, and that could well be the entirely right sort of approach to her 'playing up'. I do think it's best, whether 'tough' is required or not, to stay even tempered, don't get emotional & angry. But depends WHY she's doing it as to whether 'getting firm' is the best option. For eg. you're not that experienced, maybe don't understand her as well as you could & perhaps you're giving her conflicting signals, nagging her or some such & she's 'playing up' trying to tell you this. Perhaps she's head tossing because you're hanging onto her mouth too tightly/constantly, or the bit is uncomfortable, or her teeth need attention. Perhaps she pigroots because the saddle hurts, or she's frustrated by anything else above.

So... just be considerate of your horse & her motivations *behind* her behaviour too.
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Some years ago I had a girl who kept her pony with me. She was a tall skinny girl 11 years. Her pony won a good jumping class and as it was the end of the season we were going to sell him in the spring because she had outgrown him.
At the show someone came up and asked to buy him and subject to vet we sold him for a more an fair price.
Trying to find her a 14.2 was difficult. If we looked at one we looked at thirty. On several occasions we walked into a place and I well recall Lisa muttering to me, "If that is the pony I don't even want to ride it!" Just by looking at its face. She was right!
She had gone from wanting anything she rode to knowing what she wanted.
She came with me to a dealers. I was in the arena riding a very green Irish mare when she came running up saying, "I've found the pony I want!"
I a paddock some distance from the stables there were some horses eating hay, none looked brilliant and all had strangles. A chestnut pony with just burst abscesses was standing looking the most miserable of them all. We couldn't ride him obviously, but bought him on the spot for a knock down price.
We brought him home a week later, clicked him out in a filed with the other three I had bought, left them for a month so they got over the strangles, and he went on to be am brilliant jumping pony with the most wonderful nature.

By looking at a lot of animals the child learned what was good and what was not so good. She was developing an eye.
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