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post #21 of 52 Old 03-02-2015, 02:23 AM
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I never had the money to hire a trainer. So I worked for them instead! Often helping out just to be near their operation and learn.

When I want to do something new, horse-wise, I watch. I see who's horses I admire and who's style I would like to emulate. I hang around a bit and then approach them telling them I like what I see and ask if it's okay that I be around.

Pretty much every good barn is a busy place and if you are there you will eventually get put to work. Sweeping? Holding a horse? Grabbing a lead rope for someone? All those things can be a foot in the door.

There is no conceivable way that I could have done and get to do what I do. I have no background, never had family support, haven't had extra money. But, by making opportunities, my life with horses has been a great ride.

As to the cliques and know-it-alls, they don't really bother me. What they know may be all they ever know. And it may be the only thing they feel good about in their (possibly) miserable lives. Or they may just be clods. Either way, it doesn't affect me.
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I watch the professionals and see what they are up to.

At big shows I will spend most of my time I the warm up arenas just looking and listening.
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Your statement made me laugh! Tell people you have a TB and an Appaloosa.I've been told they are the craziest breeds ever and we are even crazier for having them! This came from a QH person.
I think if I were ever to breed my TB mare an Appy might be my first choice. I must be totally out of my mind !
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I never had the money to hire a trainer. So I worked for them instead! Often helping out just to be near their operation and learn.

When I want to do something new, horse-wise, I watch. I see who's horses I admire and who's style I would like to emulate. I hang around a bit and then approach them telling them I like what I see and ask if it's okay that I be around.

Pretty much every good barn is a busy place and if you are there you will eventually get put to work. Sweeping? Holding a horse? Grabbing a lead rope for someone? All those things can be a foot in the door.

There is no conceivable way that I could have done and get to do what I do. I have no background, never had family support, haven't had extra money. But, by making opportunities, my life with horses has been a great ride.

As to the cliques and know-it-alls, they don't really bother me. What they know may be all they ever know. And it may be the only thing they feel good about in their (possibly) miserable lives. Or they may just be clods. Either way, it doesn't affect me.
Great post ! Some people get locked into one discipline and one stable and trainer and can't think outside of that box. I had the good fortune to work with hunter/jumpers, Arabians, QHs, western reining, hack lines, and TB breeding stock and learned a lot at every place. There is nothing wrong with deciding what style of riding appeals to you and pursuing it, but the more you see and experience the better horseman you become.

There is more to learn out there than we ever can learn in one lifetime and any chance to volunteer some labor to be able to hang out and learn is rewarding.
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I think if I were ever to breed my TB mare an Appy might be my first choice. I must be totally out of my mind !

HA HA! I can only imagine the raised eyebrows you would get from that combo! Amongst some QH people that I know, it would be a devil horse!


In all fairness, our QH ( belongs to my son, but I take care of him) is a sweetheart. I love all 3 of their unique personalities!
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Drafty Aries mum, I'm very glad you said that actually because that really goes into the point of the experiment. We've been finding that when things are said in more of the form of a question rather than a statement of opinion that people are more open to it. Also that people get more offended by someone they don't know. On this forum I wrote a long winded post about why I don't like modern dressage and why I don't like NH. Most of what I said was actually based on what I've heard others say because I really don't know much about either subject, and besides pat perelli because of the catwalk incident, I find most NH trainers make good points. Anyway at the end I asked people to tell me about training fads they don't like in the horse world, and found that everyone was so caught up on what I said, that no one answered the question, they just agreed or disagreed with different points I made. One person actually broke down every sentence I wrote and told me what was wrong with it lol.

Now I do plan on going into another forum and asking in the form of a question but still express the same opinions on the two subjects. I'm open to suggestions and your thoughts on the subject.
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It's not just horses. It's everything in life and people are this way about EVERYTHING. Like Foxhunter said, "watch and listen to the professionals" and have absolutely will not quit or fail attitude. We also went through this really badly. Read all that I could and took clinics from the better horsemen and spectated many clinics. Have to stay away from the idiots and the ones that always say they've been doing this or that for 30yrs! They are usually the worst. Take it upon yourself and do it. We take great pride in that now we are constantly complemented and absolutely spank many of the high and mighty ones but yet we are humble and never say a word. The spanking is reward enough. One gal was really bad towards us and we had the great pleasure of watching her get bucked off one of her boneheads one day. Glad she didn't get hurt badly pretty sure she had a sore bum for a few days!!!!!!!!
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Just watching has taught me so much. I see a horse perhaps being initially warmed up by one of the grooms and it not going very well, then watch when the rider gets on, I try to see what they do to get the horse soft and obedient

First time I saw the Spanish Riding School they were working th endorses in hand doing Airs Above the Ground. There was one horse that was meant to be doing a Capriole. It was brought across the arena and when asked, all it did was rush forward. This happened several times.
I never watched the other horses only this one horse that was obviously up tight.
The Leading Rider was working another horse and whilst there were others in the centre performing, he very quietly swapped horses.
He brought the nervy horse across and it just ran again. He got to the side, stopped it and from a pocket at the back of his jacket he gave the horse a tidbit. Three or four times he tried, each time the horse just rushed, each time he gave it a tidbit. All the time he was taking it around the outside of the arena he was talking to it, I could see his lips moving.
Then he came across and the horse had relaxed, when asked to Capriole that horse went up about five feet and his back legs were parallel to the ground. At the track he was stopped and tidbit given and immediately taken from the arena.

Majority of people would never have noticed the swap or the tdbits as so much was going on with the other horses.
It taught me that things do go wrong even with the best trained horses and, being quiet, installing confidence , praising the effort even if it wasn't the wanted result, achieved the wanted result with little hassle.
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HA HA! I can only imagine the raised eyebrows you would get from that combo! Amongst some QH people that I know, it would be a devil horse!


In all fairness, our QH ( belongs to my son, but I take care of him) is a sweetheart. I love all 3 of their unique personalities!
I was thinking of all the horses I have owned and worked with and tried to decide which breeds I liked the most and least
The best fell into . . . TB, Appaloosa, Arabian, Paint, QH, Saddle bred cross, and grade. (not necessarily in that order) and my least favorite horses fell into QH, TB, and grade. So it depends on the individual horse
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I second the studdy online and reading bit. I moved away from the 'mentor' I had IRL, and after another decade of searching I found Patrick Kaye and Bent Branderup, and Will Faeber to some extent.

I believe a lot of where the nastyness of the horse community comes from is people just taking their own mentor's word for granted, and not continuing to learn from other sources or question their knowledge. With so many excellent horse people in the world, it's unlikely your real one and only is that trainer down the street IMHO. It takes some searching to find your special gurus.
When you can't ride at all anyone who can ride has something to teach you. Then it starts to becomes like being a senior and expecting to learn more by taking freshman courses. I think the more research and studying we do on our own is important. As far as choosing a mentor . . . .I think there are many trainers out there that we all could learn something from. It is the getting "stuck" with one trainer when we feel the need to learn more is the problem.
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