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post #31 of 52 Old 03-02-2015, 02:57 PM
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I would look on craigslist. I also got lucky with my riding instructor. She has ridden all her life and has taught me everything I know (and at a very reasonable price)

I went to buy a saddle from a lady that owned a ton of quarter horses and paints. She was talking about all of the ribbons she had won with her horses and towards the end she asked me what kind of horse I had. I replied "a saddlebred" and that was all she needed to hear. This sweet old lady suddenly turned into a complete snob! Lol. Oh my, if looks could kill. She gave me a snobby look and said "you need to get a better horse if you want to jump." I laughed and got in the car but in my mind I already strangled her like twice lol I'm so tired of the saddlebred critiques in my area. Quarter horses, paints, and Tennessee walkers aren't the only horses worth having for jumping and trails. The closed mindedness of some people...
We have to keep in mind that a certain percentage of the general population is opinionated and close minded so a percentage applies to horse people too.

I never liked TWHs because the ones I first saw were too exaggerated and artificial IMO. I was at a show in NH and met some nice people showing in plantation walking classes that changed my opinion of the breed entirely. I don't think I would own one but to each his own.
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post #32 of 52 Old 03-02-2015, 02:58 PM
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I think if I were ever to breed my TB mare an Appy might be my first choice. I must be totally out of my mind !
I had a friend with a TB/appy cross. That horse was literally bat-crap crazy and dumb as a box of rocks. HIGHLY reactive and I think a bit moonblind.
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post #33 of 52 Old 03-02-2015, 03:18 PM
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As a 4-H kid, I took great pleasure in leaving rich kids crying on their multi-thousand dollar purebreds as I rode off with trophies on my $200 grade horse.

That said, I haven't been near a show ring since then. This is mostly as a result of my observations of the pro circuits while I was a somewhat idealistic kid. But to the OP I say don't be discouraged. There are plenty of performance horse folks on this forum. Most everyone I've encountered here are good hearted people. I doubt they'll steer you wrong.
If the show circuit people are happy with what they are doing that's great. But, I have seen many situations where kids look at winning ribbons the same way they look at getting straight A's. Work, not fun and doing things like hacking around bareback or going on a trail ride. One reason is that some of these muti $ horses can't be ridden out of the ring! IMO there is something missing here.
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A bit off topic but we had a TBXAppy boarded with us for a long time - he was as thick as a brick but totally lovable!!!
It's a shame some horse people get so blinkered and narrow minded because you miss so much when you adopt that attitude.
I'm sure a lot of them say things just because they think its the right thing to say regardless of how right or wrong it is or what they gut instinct tells them - a bit like lemmings following the one in front over a cliff
OP - If you don't like where you are then look elsewhere - but sometimes you just have to be prepared to learn as much as you can from wherever you can and then fight your own corner
The old saying - The proof is in the pudding' - never could understand that - but if something works well don't knock it!!
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Okay, I'll add my 2 cents, because, well why not?

Don't drink the Kool-Aid!

Don't take any one persons word or opinion as the gospel and don't follow people blindly, ever. Question everything all the time.

People will give their opinions and in a variety and often abrasive ways, but take it with a grain of salt an absorb it to make yourself better. The better you are, the better off your horses will be.

You'll hear everything from:
" OMG he has shoes on you're killing him!" to " OMG he's barefoot, you can't show he'll go lame!" you'll get the same thing about feed, stalls, bits, blankets and everything under the sun related to horses.

The truth is it's not so black and white all the time, learn from multiple sources, and never think you have all the answers.

I've done Barrel racing, trail riding, hunters, jumpers, dressage, and now I'm into eventing, I also like ranch horse versatility, cutting, reining, and the more 'rustic' western competitions. There are very few sports that I won't try my hand at, that keeps me fresh and learning.

I also don't give two flying rats rear ends about what breed a horse is. Granted I 'prefer' certain breeds, but I won't snub a grade, draft, gaited, mutt, or purebred of any kind, I love all horses. So long as the horse can soundly and sanely do it's job, who cares what breed, sex, or color it is?

Read books from multiple authors, read various websites, join multiple forums, attend clinics by well known and unknown trainers, you never know what you'll pick up. There is no one right way to train a horse.

I will however caution to stay away from trainers who cannot 'teach' without insulting, be it a gender, breed, or discipline, try to stay away from them as they tend to be more hate monger than actual trainer.
Also don't buy into the whole ' You must buy my expensive equipment or you'll fail!' speech some trainers put out there.

I've read well over 2,000 (yup I've kept track) books on horse care, breeds, breeding, sports, and history. I continue to read to learn more.

All in all, I'm saying be open to everything, the day you close your mind to a new method or opinion is the day you'll stop learning and begin to stagnate.

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I boarded with a lady who taught me almost everything I know about horses. We became close friends and she never charged me a dime. We just helped each other out with stuff around the barn. That's the best way to learn - make friends with people who are willing to teach you and just let you hang out with them.

I stopped showing almost as soon as I started because of the snottiness. That's not why I have a horse and I don't care to be around people who take such a privilege for granted. I'd rather sit on the fence and eat peanut butter cookies with my horse than compete against a bunch of snobs for some cheap ribbons. Not that they're all jerks, but you know what I mean.
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Many moons ago I was at a fairly big show. There was the regional finals for the 14.2 and under SJ for the Horse of the Year show, the toughest class for jar jumpers.

There were all the top ponies and their riders, grooms, instructors and parents. Among all the horseboxes pulls up a battered car pulling a single trailer. The rider was young lad with rather long hair (not the done thing back then) they unloaded a pony that was a bit scruffy looking. The lad was wearing jodhpurs that were in need of seeing the washer. Tack was old and past its best.

The lad mounted and rode off. I thought no more about it as I went off to do a class.

I walked back to watch the end of the qualifier after my class. I only saw two or three jump the first round and it was the jump off.

I was astounded to see that the scruffy lad, ride into the arena for the jump off! There had been one clear in a good time.
He came in and set off at a good clip. He took one fence (and these jumps were 4'6" + ) at an such an angle I was surprised the pony never ran out. He was then able to turn inside another fence and jump a large parallel. He was clear in an extraordinary time and won the class.

I will admit that although I didn't approve of his turn out, I got a great deal of pleasure from the watching the disgruntled entourage of the other competitors offering congratulations through clenched teeth!

That young rider was tidied up in his attire and represented GB in international competitions. The pony they had bought in a sale for very little money. The rider never went onto riding horse in SJ, instead he went into National Hunt racing (Steeplechasing) and became Champion Jockey.
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Haha my colleagues and I are actually doing a social experiment on sort of the same thing but we aren't focusing on breeds but more of stating opinions on sports and training methods and seeing the reaction, and let me tell you, people are quick to argue about your opinion on here. Honestly I don't think my opinion of a particular type of riding should matter to anyone, but it does lol.
It's not a 'social experiment' without a control group. What you're doing is just being trollish and deliberately starting fights.

You're right about one thing though; your opinions are completely without merit, since you're posting them just to get a rise out of people.

You want the truth? You can't HANDLE the truth!
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SpeedRacer, well stated!! The things said about the so called 'social experiment' ruffled my feathers as well, but you say it so much better than I was about to. Plus, on the thread she started, lots of folks took the time to read her long post, somone even went to the trouble to break it into paragraphs for her, then they took the time to give a response. Not cool, imho.

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I have noticed this recently since I have a Mustang. THe quarter horse is the most popular horse in my area and all anyone keeps. When certain people find out my horse is a Mustang they all talk about how terrible he must be. When I explain I have a trainer that specializes in mustang trainers they say that their horse is automatically better since it is a Quarter horse. Oh well
We have Paso Fino's and we're in QH country. We get the "when will your little horses be full grown?".....then we drop them like a bad habit on a ride and they bitch that we ride too fast, wont wait up, etc.... but and this is a big but, it's all in good fun.

Seems in ANY type of competition there are two kinds of people.

A) The ones who are secretive and will not share anything with you because there are protecting their perceived advantage and it's a "power base" for them.

B) The ones who will share everything they know or think they know, with you because they understand and grasp the concept of more and better competition raises the bar for everyone and forces all to up their game.

Seek out "B" types of course.

I raced motorcycles for decades. When I was younger (late teens) a competitor loaned me an engine for the last weekend of the season to win a championship. Had he not done that HE would have won, we were back and forth all season long. He explained that the fun of the competition was what drove him to do his best and he'd rather get a hard fought second than a "gimmie" first. That single moment taught me more about sportsmanship than anything else in my life and changed my attitude about sharing.

In any sport we should make it inviting and as easy as possible for new folks to enter. In road racing we started a mentor program, where new racers pitted with veterans and it helped gain and retain folks in the sport.
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