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post #21 of 29 Old 07-21-2014, 11:02 PM Thread Starter
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tinylily - Thank you! So, I was somewhat rewarding him by bringing the stool to him? It didn't help that my mom showed up before he actually behaved for me and I had to leave right then. :/ I've noticed I have two emotions - really happy, and super frustrated. XD I'm working on that.

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post #22 of 29 Old 07-21-2014, 11:06 PM
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Well, the whole time you are picking it up, repositioning, your horse has forgotten that he just moved away from you. your reprimand must be instantaneous, and not mixed up with your focus on the stool. you must stay very focussed on your horse.

eventually you can learn how to go over, stand on the stool and signal your hrose to position himself like a cruise ship up to a dock, and you then politely step aboard. but, be reasonable. this guy is a school horse, so he cannot be expected to be perfect. but, he knows how he is supposed to do it, he's just figuring out that you aren't paying attention to him for a bit, while you are focussed on getting your foot in the stirrup or whatever. you have mentally "left" him, so he leaves you and goes into self directed mode.

jsut keep your third eye on him, even if you have to look down at your stirrup and such.
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Putting his head in the corner gives him a visual barrier that should help stop him from walking off. That said, horses recognize individual riders. This one has evidently been nipping at the boundaries for a while. It sounds like you are beginning to recognize it. Yes, if the horse anticipates a canter and starts to increase speed, don't ask for the canter. If he canters without the cue, the moment he breaks pace, correct and make him trot until YOU ask him for the canter. If he steps out before your command, bring him back to the starting place and make him stand. If he changes his paces at the instructor's vocal commands, correct him until YOU tell him to change. (Some lesson horses get so familiar with vocal commands, this actually does happen.)

You are always training a horse when you're with it. Every horse, every time. You can teach it good habits or bad habits, but you're always teaching it...whether you're teaching it to respect you or not. Heck, my leased mare is twitchy about saddling, and she KNOWS better than to move (come to Jesus meeting on our first day together), but if I don't correct her sharply at the least movement, she'll move again, further. All horses are opportunistic to varying degrees. Don't let your lesson horse make you his opportunity.
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post #24 of 29 Old 07-21-2014, 11:11 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you! I'm kind of a softie. I have to be more assertive, which I'm working on. It's not that I'm afraid of hurting the horse, which I know I couldn't do by myself. I don't know what it is, but my trainer says I'm improving on that.

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post #25 of 29 Old 07-21-2014, 11:25 PM
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really, as new to riding as you are, you will not be able to put into effect half of the advice you'll see here. no insult intended. you dont know how much you dont know, until you know. it takes time, and listening, and trying and making mistakes, and trying again. don't take offense. F and B was trying to give you "workable" ideas. you said you were not into training the horse, and that's smart, becasue you are too new to really train a horse. but, you can "buffalo" him a bit, by making him think you DO have the experience, and that means being firm and prompt. when in doubt, BS him, but do it with style and with confidence.

using a corner is a great idea to get the job done , as you are on "the clock" and need to get in the saddle and ride. i know the feeling.
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Thanks, tinylily. No insult taken! I know being the rider and horseperson I want to be will take time. I can tell you what I need to do, but I can't really do it. I can barely get the horse to move give me their hoof when I lean into it. XD I know if I tried to train the horse at this point I'd probably do more bad than good.

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post #27 of 29 Old 07-22-2014, 05:12 AM
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@tinyliny : Love your new profile photo!

Another thought that might help, when you gather the reins at the horse's mane to hold onto as you mount, make the right rein shorter. That turns his head away from you and pushes his body closer to you. Sometimes what totally doesn't work for one horse will work like a charm for another. Find the magic trick with your guy or the thing he responds to and stick with that for as long as it works. The treat thing after all is said and done is merely a motivator to get the horse thinking, "The sooner she's up on my back, the sooner I'm getting that treat." My horse sees that mounting block now and freezes.

I read through those other threads (at the bottom of this page), and although they are not related to lesson horses, the theories are all solid and usable. True with a lesson horse it will take you longer, but eventually the horse will catch on that when he's with YOU, he does it your way.
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post #28 of 29 Old 07-25-2014, 05:31 PM
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i know i'm a little late to post here, but, i rode for many many years on lesson horses. Ones that would stand till you told them to move and ones that didn't want to stand at all. My suggestion would be watch where your hands are, and grab a small handful of mane when you're getting on. You'd be surprised at what the littlest movement of your hands will tell the horse. Also, as everyone else said to bring him back to the original mounting spot. and dont let him move till you're ready.

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post #29 of 29 Old 07-25-2014, 11:46 PM
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One comment you made stuck in my mind: "If he were perfect all the time, what would he be teaching me?"

The answer is a lot! Yes, you learn from problem horses. You learn a lot from them quickly about how to resolve issues. But perfect lesson horses teach you "feel." You learn to feel a lead change, feel a collection, you learn what correct feels like. When you know that, then you can recognize wrong and ask for correct! You only learn "feel" by feeling it.
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