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post #1 of 15 Old 05-05-2015, 07:07 PM Thread Starter
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Horse Roundups Pros and Cons

Hey guys I was wondering if anyone has any input on whether horse roundups are an effective method of controlling the population of wild horses. Recently there has been some controversy over the matter so I was wondering what other horse people have to say.
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It would control the population as it removes the horses .
They allow hunting of deer elk moose etc, in areas to keep down the herds, so there is still food for the animals. i am not saying to shoot the horses, simply pointing out that the wild animals herds are thinned.
The hunting I understand, people use the animal, eat it.
it is not hauled off , terrified, and shipped to slaughter.
I have no answer to the problem.
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Just to be clear, are you asking about removing the horses or the method used to do so?
There has been controversy over one just to justify the fight over the other.
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They have only one predator -- MAN.

So their numbers must be controlled or all of them will become diseased and die along with the deer, elk, desert sheep and all other animals that depend on a healthy desert ecosystem. They are NOT native. They are feral domestic horses that were reproducing earlier in the plains states that were all fenced and settled. The were allowed to inhabit the BLM land in the west that is controlled by the Federal Government. If left to reproduce and not be removed from time to time, they would destroy the range and themselves along with many other species that depend on this fragile range.

Actually, having lived in the high inter-mountain desert areas for 35 years, I think there needs to be much smaller herds than are left there, now. And, as a taxpayer, I think the millions of dollars spent to keep aging mustangs alive and well in huge fenced pastures all over Oklahoma and other states is one of the biggest wastes there is of taxpayer's money.

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Oh oh. I was afraid someone would say that, and then I would have to say this. Equus appears to have ORIGINATED in North America four million years ago, and only died out 11,000 years ago.
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there was a very interesting experiment done in South Africa, by a man who had a large ranch. there were concerns that too many grazers would ruin the land, as droughts raged on. instead of reducing his herd, he increased it. he kept it on a relatively small land area, however, and this is important, he kept the cattle moving. the movement of the cattle, and their sharp hooves, pierced th dry soil, over and over again, such that when sparse rains came, the water did not run off, but was absorbed. MORE grass grew, and the more grass grew, the more water was retained, such that it began to raise the water table whereever there was a swale. eventually, seasonl ponds sprang up in these swales, which brough even more grazers, many of them wild. MORE grazers, moving restlessly (as they would if they were in constant fear from wolves or lions) brought health to the land.


here's the guy, Allan Savory:

we've forgotten what it used to be like, before we came and changed the land so radically. even the wildernesses we think are so wild are not what they were 500 years ago becuase of the lack of wolves, beavers , buffaloe or cariboo, and wildfires.

ETA: the fellow has recently been countered rather roundly, so his theory might not be a good as he made it appear. . . . .
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There's a pro and a con to it. Personally I would be a lot happier with people hunting the horses and using them for food and hide than I am with some of the dubious round up methods and them being shipped to slaughter. I think in a way it's more humane.

In an ideal world we would reintroduce apex predators to the area so that the ecosystem would stabilize but.... this isn't an ideal world, so man has to intervene.
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post #8 of 15 Old 05-05-2015, 09:41 PM
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Here in Australia they shoot wild horses from the air and leave them to die. Rounding up and slaughter maybe good, but alternatives aren't either.

I do think that the best option is rounding them up and then adopting them out through rescue association, however it doesn't happen a lot and it's probably not feasible for the amount of horses.

Perhaps a sterilization program could work?
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Tiny .. are you talking about the man , that turned the desert into an oasis ? got grass and trees to grow ? there was something on pbs, history or discover channel about him.
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Excuse me. They DO NOT round them up and send them to slaughter. They are shipped to holding facilities at great cost. [The biggest one is in Pauls Valley, Oklahoma, only 25 miles from us.] They are offered for adoption. The older ones and the one that have been offered at auction 3 times and not been adopted are shipped to large sanctuaries where they are turned out and live until they die of natural causes. Some stay on these leased ranches for 15 to 20 years.

We personally know one ranch owner in Norther Oklahoma that collects around $2,000,000.00 a year (yes that is $2 million) from the government (that's us tax payers) so that none of the ugly, useless devils will be sent to slaughter.

Another huge ranch (about 25,000 acres) only 8 miles from us has 1500 aged geldings running on it. The owner makes more money without lifting a hand (other than to open and close gates and move them occasionally) than he did when he ran cattle, had 4 to 6 full-time employees plus seasonal ones that helped with calving, etc. He now has one hand that works on maintenance and keeps things mowed around the empty pens and houses.

The Wild horse act that they are administered under allows excess horses to be 'disposed of', but it has never happened while the government (us) has had them. The few that have been sent to slaughter have been sent by people that used bogus adoptions. None have ever gone to slaughter when the Feds controlled or managed them.

And NO! They are not even close to being a native species. Feral domestic horses are descended from the horses brought here by the Spanish explorers and have never been a part of any native species that have lived in North America in several thousand years. We used to have wooly mammoths here, too, but bringing in a close relative like the African Elephant and turning them loose would not exactly be the same thing now, would it? That is how close modern mustangs are to the tiny native horse-like creatures of ice-age times.
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