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post #1 of 29 Old 11-26-2014, 09:40 AM Thread Starter
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horse for sale *SCAM THREADS* (and how to know)

Uh huh, let me guess. The owner is moving/died/in the military, he's a Friesian and is out of state so can't be visited, and you'll be using a 'transport company' to send him, and want to give the buyer extra money to pay the driver. Did I guess right?

Scammer.

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post #2 of 29 Old 11-28-2014, 11:31 AM
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I had piles of fun with one of these. I explained there was an ocean between his home in London (address non existent I found out.) I told him the horse would have to swim as it got sea sick on boats. I'd need extra money for floats to hold him up. The scammer thinking he had found a pigeon, continued the correspondence that was hilarious and his English got worse with each email. I didn't have a problem divulging my address which I listed as General Delivery and it's in the post office with no way to trace it to me. An envelope with American Express money arrived for $5000. I did my homework and AE doesn't issue $100 denominations so they were all bogus. They looked real, even the bank tho't so when I showed them. The gal was going to cash them until I stopped her and explained why they were bogus.



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post #3 of 29 Old 11-28-2014, 04:00 PM
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we recently had a scammer post here with a "horse for sale" pitch. Speed Racer immediately recognized it as a scammer. the posts were removed, as per rules, but on this thread, let's discuss how such scams work, what to look for so you don't get scammed, and how folks have dealt with such, OR, has anyone fallen prey to this sort of sales scam? (I hope not!)
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post #4 of 29 Old 11-28-2014, 06:16 PM
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here is the original thread, minust the telephone number . (it is HF policy to edit out all personal info such as phone numbers or email addresses)



Elegant with 3 fantastic gates. He has an easy going and friendly
Character and is very easy to ride under the saddle by beginners or
Young riders, and he is also driven! He is good with traffic, a real
Family horse and is very friendly to other horses and other pets
He is out of a fantastic bloodline with all *STAR* predicate mares in
The mother line. He's one in a million. For more inquiries and picture
Call or text via (***) ***-****and or contact with email addresd.


How does one know this is a scam message?
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post #5 of 29 Old 11-28-2014, 06:27 PM
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Elegant with 3 fantastic gates. He has an easy going and friendly
Character and is very easy to ride under the saddle by beginners or
Young riders, and he is also driven! He is good with traffic, a real
Family horse and is very friendly to other horses and other pets
He is out of a fantastic bloodline with all *STAR* predicate mares in
The mother line. He's one in a million. For more inquiries and picture
Call or text via (***) ***-****and or contact with email addresd.

How does one know this is a scam message?
OK, I'll play:
1. Incorrectly written English, including misplaced capital letters and punctuation. Spelling mistakes where common words are substituted for horse-inappropriate words (i.e., "gates" instead of "gaits").
2. Awkward phrasing that shows lack of understanding of the horse world but is close enough that you could see how someone tried to copy the tone of something else they'd read (i.e., "the mother line;" "very easy to ride under the saddle" or "friendly...with other pets." I tried to really hard to figure out what "predicate mares" is supposed to mean but that one still has me stumped.
3. I don't see a price or shipping offer in this one, but the description is generally phrased along the lines of a "too good to be true" type horse-without more concrete details or pictures of this one in a million boy "under the saddle" I would definitely not give it a second thought.

It is too bad craigslist and other similar sites have become so unreliable. Several years ago, I had really good luck using craigslist to sell a lot of furniture when I was moving around a lot for grad school- even had people come to my house to pick stuff up, never felt scared or threatened (I would NEVER do that now). I even sold a car after I got married and we combined households. In all that time, I never interacted with a scammer- though we did have someone offer us a lifetime supply of eggs and chicken in exchange for the car
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post #6 of 29 Old 11-28-2014, 06:30 PM
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exotic horse for dirt cheap, in an area not many people are going to be able to visit.. The owner will be highly motivated to sell due to a death in the family, or moving.. or some other must sell now reason. Usually they do not have pics, or if they do they are stolen from the internet and putting them into Google search will show they are not the same horse. The owner of said " horse" will want you to pay for the shipper and offer to buy sight unseen, usually pay by a money order, or bank transfer for WAY more than selling price, and ask you to send them the difference

Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.
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this is just an aside, but something I saw in TV last night:

if you post photos of any tickets to a concert or sporting event you have and are so excited you post on FB or other public sites, be sure to obscure the bar code, or they can be "stolen" by anyone who can see and read the bar or QR code.
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I tried to really hard to figure out what "predicate mares" is supposed to mean but that one still has me stumped.
Could it be pregnant mares?

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post #9 of 29 Old 11-28-2014, 07:44 PM
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There was a local Friesian scam on CL that I stumbled across. I originally posted a reply ad, and then reported them.
I forget the exact text but it read along these lines:

Gorgeous 4 year old Friesian Stallion, my girlfriend dead and her family doesnt want him, must sell now. $2000 obo. I'm now a single lady and can't not afford stallion they eat to much. ( Incorrect grammar included, not my own bad spelling, LOL.)
There was no location given and the pictures they put up were of four different horses, all bays all definitely not Friesians.

I've learned to spot the fakes, but can't always explain how to spot them, because some of them are very well done, I'm guessing by someone fairly fluent in English or even American (not all scams are foreign I've learned.)

Typically it's a rare or expensive breed or even a rare color in a not uncommon breed for relatively dirt cheap, lot's of them are stallions.

Correspondence is almost solely through email. Though some will text, though this is very rare.

They cannot produce up to date photo's of the horse(s), or health record photo's. If they can they have doctored photo's, some of which can be well done, but usually have some sort of give away.
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post #10 of 29 Old 11-28-2014, 08:14 PM Thread Starter
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What troubles me the most is that these scammers obviously make money, otherwise they'd stop. It seems to be a very lucrative business, bilking people who are too naive or let their greed get the best of them.

Squirrel questioned why I was being so hard on the OP, because she'd obviously never run across one of these lowlifes. The amount of people who can't spot them astound me, as I've been well aware of them for over 20 years. They're very easy to figure out, once you know how they play.

The item, whatever it is, is never available to be seen, and they always have a 'transport company' lined up to deliver it, so you can't go pick it up yourself. It's also always a very high quality item being sold for an unbelievably low price, which is how they bait the hook.

There are reverse scams as well, where honest people are selling something and the scammer says they'll send more than the price, so the seller can pay the 'delivery driver' up front.

They're not interested in what you have for sale, all they want is for you to cash their bogus check/money order/wire transfer and send the supposed extra cash to them. Then, when the article of payment is found to be bogus, you're out the money you sent.

There are also scams claiming you've won a foreign lottery, or asking for your help in moving money into the US, for which you'll be amply compensated.

All of them are the same game, which is bait and switch, it's just the approach that varies depending on the type of scam.

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