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post #1 of 5 Old 04-05-2015, 01:05 PM Thread Starter
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Horse Trader Question

I am not new to horses, but have not been on here in awhile, due to neck and back disabilities, I need surgery, but it's way to risky, and would not relieve my pain. I will probably never ride again, but have decided to still participate in this site, as well as visit horses for sale sites, afterall, a girl can dream, can't she? So, to my question. I live in the area of Houston, TX, and have gone to the web site of a fairly local man who sells a lot of horses, pics and descriptions only, no videos. I was doing a search for him two days ago, and in doing so, up popped an article from this forum, that mentioned him as a horse trader with a bad reputation, which made me very curious, because I had always wondered about him, as I always wondered about anyone who has a lot of horses for sale, who can all do the same thing. I used to visit this man's site on a regular basis, and right off I noticed that all the horses he had were horses that anyone could ride, they would swim rivers, go through heavy brush, great ground manners. He site states that if you see any skinny horses on his site, they were that way when he got them, and yes, I have seen quite a few. I wasn't sure where to post this. The post I read was from 2012, that said he was a horse trader with a bad reputation. I still have horsey friends I would love to share this info with, but I don't want to slander anyone or do anything inappropriate here, but since there was already a post mentioning his name, I thought I'd give it a shot. His name is Doug Gittins, and he's in Magnolia, TX. I already checked rip off report, and he's not there. I would appreciate any links anyone could send me. Lastly, am I right to be suspicious of sites that have a lot of horses that anyone can ride, been there, done that type of horses, especially ones who are skinny because he just got them in that way.
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post #2 of 5 Old 04-05-2015, 02:37 PM
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I know who you are talking about, not personally, but by the website.

There are a lot of people selling horses for profit who don't care a lick if someone gets hurt. There are also a lot of people out there who are truly trying to do good things in matching horse and rider, the hard part is telling the difference.

No matter who or where you buy horses from in Texas the responsibility to check out the horses nose to tail will be completely on you as the buyer. This means a complete vet check, with your own vet and it is highly recommended that you bring along at least one other set of experienced and NEUTRAL eyes.

I know of a different trader that has had their share of legal problems, but in searching on line, I can't find a blip. The only way I know about these issues is from a second hand word of mouth from people who have had contact with others who have had serious problems with some of the horses from this trader. In one particular situation, allegedly, the trader or their agent, falsified a Coggins certificate so the buyer could transport the horse. A rare instance where there is a paper trail of intentional deceit. Proof worthy of holding up in a court of law is hard to come by.

Based on the clientele most likely to buy from a big name trader, you have a novice horse owner with their local trainer as a witness and perhaps a vet or farrier vs. a person who has been in the horse business since they could walk and their parade of well known experienced staff, vets and farriers who are not about to bite the hand that feeds them. There is rarely written proof that can be produced and it becomes a case of he with the most experienced horse experts wins. In Texas civil law, the loser pays the court expenses of the wining party so if you sue and lose, you could be out a lot more than the initial cost of the horse.

The trader you mentioned could be legit, or not.

With pre-owned horses and with cars, buyer beware.
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post #3 of 5 Old 04-05-2015, 02:54 PM
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Horse traders are an interesting bunch from a psychological perspective. I've often wondered what drives folks like this - especially the ones on the lower end of the sales scale. Their commodity is equine but I suspect if circumstances were different (eg they live in an area where there are no horses but lots of ATVs) they would adapt themselves to what product is the easiest and cheapist to obtain for flipping. A good portion of them seem to master the banter and catch phrases but are often frequently short on a true understanding of horse husbandry, handing and training. What I have trouble figuring out is if some of them lack the ability to perceive the true situation or whether its ethics they lack (or maybe both) when it comes to extolling the merits and abilities of the horses they're selling.
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post #4 of 5 Old 04-05-2015, 03:01 PM
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I am going to add one more thing....

A BIG red flag for me is if they wouldn’t give out the information necessary to contact the previous owner. Usually the response is something like, “the previous owner wants to remain anonymous.”

That should be a deal killer if you are thinking logically at that point, but few people are.

The traders often pull that stunt because the previous owners already have their money so they have nothing to lose by being completely honest with you regarding every little bump, strain and behavioral issue the horse has had.
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post #5 of 5 Old 04-05-2015, 09:50 PM
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There have always been shady horse traders and there probably always will be. I knew several years ago and yes, I had first hand knowledge on some of their dirty deals, I can't say that all the rumors were true, but I do know that they did sell some good horses at reasonable prices too. I really don't know what you can do about people like this except educate people on buying a horse in general. Anything that you say without being able to prove is slander.
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