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post #1 of 40 Old 10-15-2014, 12:14 AM Thread Starter
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Unhappy How bad is "bad"

As part of this evening's rescue work we headed to a local 2 horse property where apparently the horse owner and the property owner don't much care about the horses anymore.

These two horses were each penned in what essentially was a swamp of urine, bedding shavings, and mud. The smell was ... formidable. No water, no hay.

We mucked out 3 wheelbarrow loads before the smell was just too much to handle. Added some new bedding, fed them, refilled their water. One horse is older and needs supplements which he wouldn't get if the rescue owner didn't feed him out of her own funds.

The property owner charges the horse owner to house his horses but neither does much or anything to take care of them. They seem to think that the rescue owner and her volunteers (i.e. me) are just going to provide free food and labor forever.

My question is how bad does a pen have to get before it's considered abusive? I just don't have the experience to know. I'd say these pens were abusive but it might be that they are just a bit below average. Certainly the pens at the rescue are in much better shape. When I say swamp I do mean swamp.

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post #2 of 40 Old 10-15-2014, 12:29 AM
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What kind of association are you with? Unfortunately, even if their pens were considered abusive you just removed all of the evidence and the authorities won't be able to step in and do anything unless you took extensive pictures / video / etc. and filed a report prior to going into the pens.
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post #3 of 40 Old 10-15-2014, 12:37 AM
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Agree. I'm a little confused.

Why is the rescue caring for the horses out of pocket instead of getting the police involved confiscating them THEN caring for them.

Right now it's just fighting a loosing battle.
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post #4 of 40 Old 10-15-2014, 12:49 AM Thread Starter
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As I understand it the Humane Society has been informed multiple times and refuses to act. I don't get involved in these sorts of details. I'm just a grunt.

As far as why the rescue is caring for the horses... well at this point if it didn't no one would.

So you would both definitely characterize these surroundings as abusive then?
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post #5 of 40 Old 10-15-2014, 12:55 AM
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Yes and no. If they have access to food and water, it's not 'considered' abusive, which is likely why the authorities have not been involved.

You didn't tell us what kind of organization you're involved with, why are you going onto these properties? Do you have permission from the BO? I'm still a little confused.
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post #6 of 40 Old 10-15-2014, 12:57 AM
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From the sounds of it yes. Well not "abuse" but "neglect" not that it makes much of a difference.

No food/water, poor unsanitary and unhealthy conditions...yeah.

Why are they refusing to act?

I agree if you clean up and feed that they probably WON'T act.

Is this a legitimate rescue?

It's very kind of you to do this, it's just odd. I assume you have permission from the owners.
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post #7 of 40 Old 10-15-2014, 01:19 AM Thread Starter
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The property owner is aware of the rescue owner feeding and watering and otherwise caring for the horses on his property. The rescue owner has full permission to do this. As I said the rescue owner does this from her own funds because if she didn't no one would take care of these horses. She continues to work the situation re getting the authorities involved. Apparently it's not as easy as just taking some snapshots and making a phone call.

As far as Humane Society not acting, well, the reality of the situation is that frequently they simply don't act. I've been to another ranch in SD county that was much worse than this. Horses slowly starving amidst piles of their own manure. The HS has been informed of this one multiple times and has essentially done nothing about it. The rescue owner can cite other cases similar to these.

No I haven't named the organization I'm working with. It's a registered 501c3. I don't see any reason to bring names into this.
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We aren't asking for names, all we wanted to know was whether or not it was a legitimate organization.

The fact is, unfortunately, the humane society won't do anything unless there is proof of neglect. By continuing to care for these horses, though it might seem like the right thing to do, you are ensuring the humane society will not feel the need to do anything about it. It's going to become expensive fast, and when the rescue owner can no longer take care of them there will be no end solution.
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post #9 of 40 Old 10-15-2014, 01:57 AM Thread Starter
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Yeah, she probably realizes this but just can't bear to let them starve/dehydrate.
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post #10 of 40 Old 10-15-2014, 10:41 AM
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Has she asked the owner to surrender them?
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