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post #21 of 40 Old 10-15-2014, 10:53 PM
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Also check with the Sheriff's Department. In our county they will often step in when our worthless Humane Society ignores a neglect situation. It helps that we have a Mounted Deputy section in the Sheriff's Department completely funded by the deputies themselves. In our case, they do know horses, will come onto a property with a formal complaint from someone and inspect the situation. Then the owners can and will be prosecuted for neglect.

Unfortunately this was done in one situation recently after several complaints and when the horse owners were cited, there was suddenly a mysterious barn fire and 4 horses burned to death. The owner's insurance company would not pay because of suspicious circumstances and every horse person in the county knows that they burned those poor horses alive to get rid of the problem.

Amazing how sick some people can be and I hope Karma comes and gives them back everything they deserve!
The fact that they had insurance on the sort of horse that would be cited is suspicious. Get insurance on a poor quality horse (I assume as more would cost money) pay insurance money, is cited for poor condition of the horse then horse dies? Glad they didn't get the money.
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post #22 of 40 Old 10-16-2014, 03:45 AM
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Yeah sounds pretty terrible to me, but I agree with the 'enabler' comments. Unfortunately, caring people can be between a rock & a hard place with this, because the neglect is just perpetuated the longer there are others to take advantage of. And the less money & time your boss has from these type situation, the less she is able to do for the horses that are in her care.

I would personally not be feeding or cleaning out these horses, but would be onto the authorities relentlessly until they thought they'd better do something to get rid of me. And I'd be going to the papers, the current affairs shows... let them know you're going to be publicising THEIR neglect of this situation too.
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post #23 of 40 Old 10-16-2014, 07:31 AM
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To answer your question, Yes, with no food or water, I'd say thats pretty bad.
The pen is bad too, but not bad enough for the authorities to do anything.

I totally understand what you are saying, you are a volunteer, you are doing what you are told, and your hands are "tied" to do anything else.
I have been in the same position.

I am sure the resuce is working with the authorities. They are probably documenting every time they feed the horses or help out, and turning it in.

In the meantime, they are just tryign to keep the horses alive and ok. While the ower is trying to make a "buck" from the rescue.

And you are right, the main rescue I support, buys most of its horses for under $100 each
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post #24 of 40 Old 10-16-2014, 09:13 AM
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No legitimate rescue should be buying ANY horses, in my opinion. If a rescue is taking donated money and buying horses instead of using it to actually care for animals in dire need, they don't need my money and I consider it nothing more than a vanity project.
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post #25 of 40 Old 10-16-2014, 09:02 PM
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Rescues buying horses off anyone help perpetuate the problem they are trying to fix...that's just how supply and demand work...they become a broker...nothing wrong with that IMO but call a spade a spade...of course...nowadays it seems like "rescuing" a horse {or any animal} is the only politically correct thing to do so naturally these folks have quickly picked up the "rescue" tag and many are making a big buck on it...it's becoming a 99% give the rest a bad name, situation...YES i know there are "good ones" out there...many are not...

on the subject of these horses being neglected: "rescue" needs to.

1. stop caring for them

2. wait for it to look bad enough that anyone seeing it would be furious

3. film/photos/youtube. a picture says a thousand words...and internet mob justice gets things done when all other options are exhausted...
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post #26 of 40 Old 10-16-2014, 11:29 PM
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One other thing to look at is the horse's feet - often times staying in mud that never dries can wreak havoc on them - I can't remember the actual term, it is something like a raised sole or something like that.

Another angle is (if it is correct) letting the property owner know that they might be liable for charges for allowing a bad situation to be permitted on their property.

I'd go to the cops. As awful as our celebrity Sheriff (Sheriff Joe Arpaio) is, he does not put up with animal abuse.
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post #27 of 40 Old 10-17-2014, 01:46 AM
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Where I live the humane society has no legal authority to do anything. You have to get the police involved. The police are forced to act as baby sitters. They come once or twice a week to check on the property. Or once a month if no one calls to complain.

If the prosecutor doesn't feel like putting in any effort it becomes a long drawn out process with the horses only getting fed when the police officer shows up.

The last time I dealt with a case it took almost 3 years before something was done, despite several deaths. One time they dumped a starved horse a ton of grain. She choked but kept eating despite it. They left her for 4 day with no veterinary care. She was put down. Another mare was pregnant and both she and the baby was lost. She foaled in a bad weather with no shelter.

I absolutely hated the investigator as I felt like he did not care at all. Most of the horses were eventually given to a rescue by court order, yet he was allowed to keep 7.

The owner was convinced his failed racehorses were worth thousands of dollars. Totally delusional. One reason why I don't believe slaughter prevents abuse. You can not reason with the insane. I keep hoping he gets sued! He actually wanted me to run a lesson program with his untrained horses! He was even selling lessons on group on!

I told him I could make the business work if he sold the untrained horses he had and bought one or two ponies for lessons, as his horses were completely unsafe! I was really hoping I could convince him to sell off or give away as many of them as possible. He had a sweet foal I really wanted to get out of there.

He was interested but wanted insane amounts of money for them. $1000 for a grade foal that is not even halter broke. I ended up reporting him again and walking away... I could not reason with him and he was too stupid to see that he wasn't going to get back his several thousand dollar investment in 30 some horses.

The type of people who allow animals to starve are not people you can reason with! Short of getting a court order and confiscating them.

You absolutely have to get the law involved and build a case. It is the only way.
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post #28 of 40 Old 10-17-2014, 02:14 PM
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If there's one thing I could change about the destinies of animals, I would take out the money factor. Like the man who owns these horses and the man you describe, 4 horses.

For all of the poorly bred horses, puppy millsetc. that people want to make a living off of, even showing and breed standards for showing do really awful things to animals.

Anyone want to vote me in for benevolent dictator, lol? Me 'n Pedro!
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post #29 of 40 Old 10-17-2014, 04:47 PM
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Wait, I am confused here. So all I have to do is quit cleaning stalls and the local rescue will provide me with free labour, feed, and supplements? Where do I sign up?
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post #30 of 40 Old 10-17-2014, 06:19 PM
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Is it possible there may be other circumstances you are not aware of in regards to the horses? Or possibly that the rescue is looking into a civil avenue by providing the care for the horses? What I mean is a civil case in which they push for either the horses or the funds used to provide for said horses. There is more than one way to skin a cat. That being said as long as you guys are caring for them take pictures of everything,document every single thing. Pictures of the horses and the conditions they are kept in all the way down to times of day. Their feet should tell a long story if things are that severe. A horses feet tell the story. Does the rescue also provide regular hoof care?Vet care? As I said there may be other factors you are not aware of as well. Who knows maybe the owner is trying to get through a difficult financial/physical area and the rescue is helping out. There are so many things that none of us know for certain.
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