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post #21 of 25 Old 10-09-2014, 02:44 PM
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Appaloosa are known for their attitude (aka "appy-tude") and stubbornness though, so I can't say I'm shocked that your guys has those traits in spades.
I hate it when people say that. Fine, if your used to dead head, mindless, push button horses, an appy will seem like a whole lot of personality(so would an arab, or a thoroughbred, or a mule....). But I endurance rode on one the taught 5+ people, including small children to ride, and was the most athletic, willing, good minded trail horse I've ever been on, with so much heart. My appy mare has been the easiest horse to start I've ever had. A friend is building her confidence back up (after having it destroyed) on one.

The problem is not "appy-tude", its a laid back rider with a more dominant horse that needs a strong leader. In my above mentioned example with my cousin, her horse is a percheron. I have seen it with every breed.
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post #22 of 25 Old 10-09-2014, 03:28 PM
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I'll just add that riding with contact doesn't work well unless the rider is good at it. Part of getting my mare better was giving up on 'contact' and going to slack reins, with the bit being used to set outer limits. I'm not saying riding with constant contact won't work, but it depends on educated hands. I don't have them, and I'm not alone...

Oh...and our "Steady Eddy" horse is an Appaloosa who is 3/4 Arabian by breeding.
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post #23 of 25 Old 10-09-2014, 05:26 PM
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I'll bet your horse knows you aren't interested or not enjoying his company. That would explain the escalating issues when you're on his back. Same thing could happen with another horse if you don't learn how to train the bad behavior out of him, but it might not.

There are about 25 horses at the barn where I ride. Out of those, there are really only 2 that are sweethearts all the time, and one of them is mine. The rest can be buttheads when they feel like it and they regularly test riders and need reminding who is the boss. It's in their nature to always be checking to see if you're up to lead-mare status.

What are the chances you're going to find one of those perfect horses if you sell the one you have? Probably not that good. People tend to hold onto those horses, not sell them.

If it were me, I'd give it one last push with your current horse with a trainer there helping, and work on the horse's attitude under saddle. And don't expect too much at once. My horse was nervous the first few trail rides we did, but she eventually got better and better and now she's great.

You can't expect them to just get over their fears without a lot of desensitization first. And sometimes that desensitization takes a while. I'm not saying you aren't aware of this stuff. But sometimes even with Clinton's DVDs, you can forget that not all horses catch on as fast as his do in the videos. :)

No. Just no. "Horse knows you aren't interested or not enjoying his company?" Have no idea where you came up with that, but trust me, horses do NOT care if we are enjoying their company, nor do they care if we are interested. They are horses, not a BFF.

Every single horse will try this on someone that doesn't have much knowledge about horses. And that same horse will act like they are supposed to the instant an experienced rider mounts.

This horse is not working out and has the beginnings of some serious issues that OP is not ready for, in any way, shape or form. Getting light on the front end is not a good thing.

Desensitization is smoke and mirrors, nothing but busy work much of the time for a human. And isn't needed nearly as much as people do it. And rarely is it fear as much as it is a horse that knows a rider doesn't know what they are doing.

And horses are out there that are kind, tolerant and easy going. This one isn't.

Also need to check handling skills, as could be adding to this.

But any horse, even the most gentle, bombproof horse will act up if it feels the human can't make it behave.

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post #24 of 25 Old 10-09-2014, 05:51 PM
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Desensitization is smoke and mirrors, nothing but busy work much of the time for a human. And isn't needed nearly as much as people do it.
This is a good point. Desensitization is right up there with "round pen" and "lunging" for misapplied exercises. it is useful for two things. Accustoming a horse to a piece of equipment or a situation that it has to endure, like wearing a saddle, loading in a trailer, having someone put on or remove a jacket while mounted(you REALLY don't want to try that before being sure your horse is comfortable with flappy things above them.), pulling a cart. Secondly I feel like, done correctly it can build respect, which is a by product of the initial desensitizing exercises. Meaning, you cant decide to build respect by desensitizing your broke horse. It can be over done.
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post #25 of 25 Old 10-09-2014, 09:33 PM
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I had a are I loved but we did not mesh. It broke my heart but I found someone she fit with better. I now have my forever hires that we mesh perfect together. Once you find that one you will know
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