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post #21 of 60 Old 05-11-2020, 07:18 AM
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in your country? Just curious because I noticed big differences...



In Belgium for a trained horse (that you can buy and ride as a beginner) 5000. For a western trained one more along the lines of 8000 for a good horse.

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A good 10-15 years ago I read on one forum of beginner riders thinking nothing of paying 5K -7K for a “beginner safe” trail horse — only to ruin it in six months and get rid of it.

“These people” thought the more they paid the better the horse, not realizing it was up to them to keep up with the training they had paid for.

I don’t know what people pay today, but I have always trained my own trail horses and thought those 5K-7K prices were the day “two fools met”. Then to add insult to injury the new rider couldn’t understand why the horse was not bullet proof and they ended up ruining it.

Most of these people were somewhere east of the Mississippi in the U.S. and you could find them in the north and the south - stupid knows no boundaries

FWIW - there really is no such thing as “bombProof”. My 60+ years experience long ago taught me —- “if it has a heart and pumps blood, it’s unpredictable.

There are some horses with an exceptional amount of unflappability but sooner or later some THING is going to un-nerve them:).

With my exceptionally unflappable horse, it was not the guy letting off his jake brake beside us, on the state highway, it was the scared fawn jumping out of the thrashing and running underneath him:):)
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post #22 of 60 Old 05-11-2020, 07:36 AM
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Prices for horses and costs for upkeep vary wildly by area. Here in my area, a 2-4 year old, very greenbroke horse (say 50 short rides by the trainer) that stands to be mounted, ties, bathes, trailers and does walk, trot, lope and backs up with a good predigree and good looks will go for $3-4,000 US. Depending on what you want from board, it can cost anywhere from $100/mo for strictly pasture board (no supplements or grain fed), feed hay as/when needed, to $600/mo in a really nice facility that includes an oversized stall, private run for turnout, and hay 24/7 and concentrates as needed 2X/day. Double the top end if you throw in full training. Most facilities around here that aren't as high end are more in the middle at about $350 for full board & care. For that you may only get a stall but the horse can go out on pasture during daylight hours with other horses. It would include hay/concentrates, blanket/unblanket, turnout.

If you're looking for a safe, been there, done that horse, you can pay from $1000 to $5000 and up depending on how fancy the horse is, how much & what type of training, and if the horse has a show record or not. At the $1000 end, you're looking at a 20+ year old horse, has some soundness issues (probably on going maintenance) and $5000 end would get safe, sane & still some long term maintenance but not lame. We say that everyone wants safe, sane & sound The lower the price the more likely you are to get 2 of the 3 but not all 3, so safe & sane but lame, safe and sound, but not terribly sane, sane & sound but not safe, you get the point.

Horses are indeed a luxury item and not to be entered into lightly, after all it IS another life you're taking responsibility for. The joy they bring for most of us though, makes every dime we spend worth it. If I were looking for a first (and probably last horse) I'd look for an older school master type of horse. Probably 15 or so years old, maybe a semi-sour school horse, with some maintenance and soundness issues. Those horses can be worth their weight in gold and worth the maintenance money you have to spend on them. I would not recommend an OTTB as a first horse, training them involves a lot of UNtraining before you can even start to make a daily rider out of them.

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post #23 of 60 Old 05-11-2020, 09:05 AM Thread Starter
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@walkinthewalk actually I don't really know what would be a good move for me... I can imagine buying a green horse would not be considering I am a beginner. ;) I will not buy a horse for a couple of years so there are no immediate plans. I just thought it would be good if the horse was already trained to perform the basicsm because having it trained would also cost me alot of money... So... I actually really don't know what I should do. I just keep on riding and I hope one day an opportunity will present itsself to me, I hope I will be able to recognize this opportunity. Also I actually am not keen on paying 5000 or more for a horse. Sorry but it's too much for me. I don't have that kind of money and I don't want a pet of 5000 standing in a pasture. If something happens I lose alot of money...



Btw every time I adopt an animal I always ask for the ones nobody wants. I got all my pets cheap because they were deemed ugly, 'broken' or not well trained. Also my cat that I got for free had a horrible body odour (yes yes. I changed food and tried everything but...) :p and a broken leg that cost me alot of vet bills. sigh... I am such a sucker, you already know what I'm gonna end up with ;)
oh but... you can't ride that.
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post #24 of 60 Old 05-11-2020, 12:09 PM
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@Jolien , the most I ever paid for a horse was $1,800. The Seller wanted $2,200 but we were heading into winter, and all I had was the $1,800 cashiers check I thought I was buying a different horse with - and didn’t, lollol

This horse was 2-1/2 and green broke to the trails. He is a Tennessee Walker and the ONLY reason I paid that “kind of money” was because he had that champagne-smooth running walk gaited horse people drool over, lollol

The fella turned 26 April 15th, still has that champagne-smooth running walk but he is broke to the trails a whole lot better. He is not a fancy broke horse because I trained him to what he needed to negotiate tough and sometimes dangerous trails. He neck reins, is sensitive to separate upper and lower leg cues when I ride him because I always rode him bareback.

He knows reverse but none of my Walking Horses have ever been fond of using reverse unless the issue was critical path — like the day my heart horse and I came to a literal cliffhanger dead end, no room to turn around, and he had no choice but to back - very slowly- it took us awhile to

IMHO, if you wear any level of no-fear to-shirt, possess a lot of common sense, have good instincts to where you can quickly hone in on what a horse is thinking and how it’s going to react, you should be able to buy a sensible thinking young horse if it only has 30 solid days of training on it.

Provided trail riding and maybe some fun shows is sufficient. If you want to show seriously at any level, then yes, win the lottery or give up your right arm, lollol
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post #25 of 60 Old 05-11-2020, 12:27 PM
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In Texas you can find good horses for between $2500 and $5000. In that price range is a big variety, so you have to go into it knowing exactly what you want and be willing to wait for the right one; but that is true in general also.

We have a 15 yr old grade Appendix QH gelding that has great manners and is safe for just about anyone to ride and have fun on that was about $2500. We looked at a lot of duds and horses I didn't care much for to find him.

Of course with horses they are worth whatever someone will pay for them. At the Return to the Remuda sale at the 6666 ranch last October a seasoned ranch gelding went for $90,000. Great horse but so were most of them. When rich people get into a bidding war the horse is worth what the loser wasn't willing to pay lol.

For myself personally I'm not even looking at a horse above $10K unless I know I can win that money back on them. For someone like a pro roper it can make sense to pay $80k for a great horse because the potential to win it all back is likely if not a given. This is one of the reasons I no longer mess with performance horse events for young horses. The horses with a shot are all too expensive and most will never make the finals, just a big money pit.
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post #26 of 60 Old 05-11-2020, 12:31 PM
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Chiming in late ... my horses were free - $2k (USD). My first two horses were free - my GREEN GREEN Arab gelding and later a yearling 1/2 Arab mare (in my avatar). I was very fortunate starting out that the friend who gave me my first two horses kind of footed the bill for a couple of years. I was clueless in all aspects, but thought I knew everything, LOL. I at least knew enough to know I could not start the yearling on my own when she needed to be started.

I sent her to a local "cowboy" "natural horsemanship" trainer (Matt) when she was 4. I put those in quotes since people have preconceived ideas and this trainer, who I still ride with after 17 years, is none of the stereotypes those terms invoke. Anyway, I sent her to him for 3 months (he remembers 4, but I think he's wrong ). I can't remember how much it was, but when I got her home I realized I needed lessons so went back to him. I did the rest of her training with the help of many many MANY people. I really enjoy the process, but wouldn't necessarily recommend it for others.

My next horse was an AQHA 2 yo filly who had about 40 rides on her. I wanted a 4 yo (my trainer wanted me to get a 8-9 yo), but this filly was being sold by a friend - she was a full sister to my friend's cowhorse mare and I loved her mare. I wanted a horse I could be more consistently competitively on and this horse had the breeding and ability. And she was in my price range ... I always call her my bargain basement clearance price horse ... I paid $1,500 for her (almost 9 years ago). 8 years later she took me to the NRCHA World Show in the $1k.

But same thing - I was too cheap to put her in training and enjoyed the process of bringing a horse along. We did it all - Snaffle to Hackamore to 2 Rein to straight up in the bridle - again with the help of a multitude of people. So between lessons, general upkeep, & shows, I spend a fair amount. If I would sell her (will NEVER happen - my trainer laughs at me ... he said I never sell horses. He's right! ) She would easily sell for $8k+.

My most recent purchase was three years ago ... my friend was selling her mare's, who I love, yearling filly and I was looking for a Snaffle Bit futurity prospect for me. She's my mare's niece! The plan was to have Matt start her and I would ride her in the Non Pro Limited futurity in Reno. (Her journey is documented in this thread). I paid $2k for her. Matt gave me a KILLER training deal that made it affordable for me to keep her in training through Reno Snaffle Bit to now. If I had sent her to anyone else, I could have eeeked out maybe 6 months. This will likely be her last year with Matt, although I'll be taking lessons on her to learn his training.

GOOD horses can be found for affordable prices, but they are hard to find. Of course, affordable is relative. I have a friend who paid $25k for her for her horse - way to rich for my blood; but it's taken her almost two years to learn how to utilize/ride her mare to the best of the mare's ability (who has a LOT of ability). She still has yet to transfer that to the show pen. Another friend paid $8 for her gelding - a Snaffle Bit contender who washed out of the open division. It's taken her about 3 years to get him settled down & relaxed enough to do his job, which is less than before since now he only does boxing now.

Just because my friends and I compete, we do not limit our horses to cowhorse competitions. With my 1/2 Arab Mare, I learned it was way fun to do a lot of different things with her - show in different types of shows (including versatility, ranch & obstacle races), trail ride, or just hang out. I cannot own a lot of horses, so I want my horses to be able to do different things. I also find it keeps their minds fresh to do different things with them.

Anyway, horses are expensive, but they can be affordable. Good deals on Good horses are out there. Sometimes it takes a little work to bring out that "good", but if you have the time and patience and skill (or help from those with skill) you can really get a good diamond in the long run.
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post #27 of 60 Old 05-11-2020, 12:43 PM
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@walkinthewalk actually I don't really know what would be a good move for me... I can imagine buying a green horse would not be considering I am a beginner. ;) I will not buy a horse for a couple of years so there are no immediate plans. I just thought it would be good if the horse was already trained to perform the basicsm because having it trained would also cost me alot of money... So... I actually really don't know what I should do. I just keep on riding and I hope one day an opportunity will present itsself to me, I hope I will be able to recognize this opportunity. Also I actually am not keen on paying 5000 or more for a horse. Sorry but it's too much for me. I don't have that kind of money and I don't want a pet of 5000 standing in a pasture. If something happens I lose alot of money...



Btw every time I adopt an animal I always ask for the ones nobody wants. I got all my pets cheap because they were deemed ugly, 'broken' or not well trained. Also my cat that I got for free had a horrible body odour (yes yes. I changed food and tried everything but...) :p and a broken leg that cost me alot of vet bills. sigh... I am such a sucker, you already know what I'm gonna end up with ;)
oh but... you can't ride that.
Well, I'm genuinely sorry to say that if you can't imagine spending 5000$ on a horse, then it will likely be a long time before you can afford one. Not because you can't get a horse much cheaper. Gosh, I had a couple of people try to give me horses. I politely declined after viewing said horse, or asking a few more questions. A free (or cheap) horse is often the most expensive. People give them up because they know I'll look after them, pay the meds, vet bills, etc. I know you understand all this, but just in case you're thinking of going the rescue route with a horse, I want to just reinforce this point. Even if you got a horse for nothing, in perfect health, and free board and pasture/hay, there are vet bills, dental bills, farrier bills, deworming, vaccinations, supplements, and what if your horse needs emergency care? It's important to be in a situation where you don't have to think about money first. Don't get me wrong, we all have our limits. Many people would not have colic surgery because of the cost, recovery and poor survival odds. A friend of mine had eye surgery done on one of her horses and it cost 10 000$. I have two teenagers so honestly, I don't think I would have been able to justify that myself. But when my horse Rusty colicked, I didn't hesitate to call the vet after hours (he was tubed, but recovered, thankfully), and I feel I give my horses pretty top notch care overall. That doesn't mean there is no limit to what I would spend, just that I can take a financial hit and still survive. If you can't then it's probably not a good time to own a horse - riding other people's horses might be your best option for now.

And maybe these numbers seems high to you now, but someday, they might not, or you might find yourself in a situation where it becomes possible to share a horse. I sincerely hope that happens for you.
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post #28 of 60 Old 05-11-2020, 12:44 PM
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All of the southeast is not that expensive, maybe Wellington is. There is a farm not too far from me that charges 400 a month for pasture board. This is four horses to each 15 to 20 acre pasture, quality hay in winter, quality hard feed if needed and shelter. They charge 650. per month for a nice stall in a nice barn that is kept clean and shavings are provided, pasture turnout along with everything else. All boarders have access to the amenities. Hot and cold wash racks, three different arenas, lockers, restroom, and clubhouse area for relaxing that has a fridge, coffee pot and microwave. They also have a small amount of riding trails if you don't want to leave the farm for a relaxing stroll on your horse.

Where I board, it's a lot cheaper than this but I also don't have the amenities. I don't care because I prefer to take care of my horses myself anyway and don't really need the amenities.

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post #29 of 60 Old 05-11-2020, 02:06 PM
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Wow, I guess I've been very fortunate! I'm always complaining about the price of hay here in Arizona (it's close to $20 for a 100lb bale and we have to feed hay year round because there is no grass to speak of) but I've been very lucky in getting good, safe horses for cheap. EVERY horse has flaws, even if that is the wrong breed, color, or height. So it's all about getting the flaws you can live with or that are no big deal to you.


Things I won't compromise on are safe, sane, and preferably sound! My VERY BEST horse was a BLM Mustang that I paid $2000 for, when he was 12 years old. Absolutely nothing wrong with that horse, other than he was a little short (14.3), and a Mustang. Totally safe......beginner safe, actually took care of you out on the trails. He was perfectly sound too. But not a dead head.....he had buttons for a more experienced rider. But he was the kind of horse your neighbor with the fancy horses would borrow for guests to ride when she needed an extra safe horse. That was the most I ever paid for a horse, and he was worth every penny. I would buy them all day long at that price if I could find another......


But, I have also gotten some lovely horses for free to $1400. My very first horse was an Arabian gelding the sellers were asking $1100 for and I had a $1000 max budget my parents would allow (I was a teenager at the time). There were a lot of Arabians out there at the time, and I guess they were not the "in" breed and got him for $900. He was a very safe beginner's horse. Not fancy, not show quality, but to pack around a complete newbie through city streets to get to the trails, he was awesome. My second horse was also an Arabian gelding, I paid $1400 for him, on time payments no-less, and he was great too. He had a big engine and could hardly keep his feet still, but to me, as a teenager, that was fun. And he was also very safe and sound.

When I moved out of the city and got into a more horsie neighborhood, I made some good friends and one friend has given me two horses over the years. One was a slightly older Paint gelding that was GORGEOUS, well broke, but ended up having a few soundness issues over time. But he was still a wonderful horse for me, and we did a lot of riding. Then she also gave me the most awesome Fox Trotter mare who is just the best horse for me. She has a bigger motor, which I like, but she is so gentle and well trained. I've had her for a few years now and am really only beginning to realize how well trained she is..........like she she has power steering and power brakes riding in a halter.........I didn't realize that until about a month ago! She could very well be my best horse........

I also had a lovely Fox Trotter mare that I only paid $500 for at age 16 and I got a lot of riding out of her. She was also pregnant and gave me my first foal.

So.......get to know as many horse people as you can, keep your feelers out there, don't be stuck on a certain breed and when the time is right, ask people to keep an eye out for you. The best way to find a horse, in my opinion, is word of mouth. Then you know it's reputation and you aren't buying a random horse you know nothing about. That can be done successfully too......but there is more risk involved. I really like to find a horse from somebody I know or a friend-of-a-friend if at all possible. Then you are more likely to get the complete history of the horse, maybe a trial period, and maybe a really good price as well.
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post #30 of 60 Old 05-11-2020, 04:28 PM Thread Starter
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@Acadianartist I am not intending to buy a horse now or anytime soon. 5000 is a lot of money for me, darn I didn't even pay that much for my car. I also know that a cheap horse will probably become an expensive one. I don't mind putting in the vet costst for my dog or cats (they were cheap too or free), but a horse is a whole different story. I am not considering to buy. There's a time and a place for everything in life.



@trailhorserider I feel the same. I can't imagine myself buying a horse from a dealer of on some kind of sale. I would be the kind of person that bumps into one that I ride at a barn and that would get sold or maybe through my friends (mouth to mouth). I am sure one day I will have an opportunity. I am not pinned on a breed, color or age. I will know when the right one pops up in my life at the right time. ;) One of my friends got one of her arabian horses like that. She was sent to have him killed because he had a minor injury and the breeder didn't think he was such a pretty foal. My friend just couldn't so she paid for the vet and bought the horse cheaply.
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