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post #51 of 60 Old 05-13-2020, 09:24 AM Thread Starter
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@Acadianartist The horses belong to a different owner... I would have to talk to her about that. I am also entirely not sure if that horse is safe to ever ride since I see literally nobody trying to. ;) I am sure I could win the horse over, I have the patience for it. He sometimes approaches me when he wants me to open up a gate or something. He seems not to care that much about people. Not that he hates them but the other horses do approach me and act kind while he is standing alone often...



That's funny that you would describe that program from the woman for Belgium for it is the way I always approach a horse.... People always tell me this is wrong and that I need to increase pressure until the horse looks at me but I do it the other way around. If I see an animal is stressed I calmly back off. I also always let the animal acknowledge me first before I try to grab the halter or even halter it. :)
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post #52 of 60 Old 05-13-2020, 09:29 AM Thread Starter
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@Dreamcatcher Arabians Poor horse. People really need to get that a horse cannot read our mind nor can they understand the sentences we say to them... It is not as if telling a horse it needs to calm down will help... No wonder that horse was scared and misbehaved... If I need to do something with a horse and it doesn't work out I always think about why and I assume the horse doesn't understand... Once I was doggsitting and I opened the car door and the dog looked at me like he wanted to tell me something. I assumed he was waiting for the go signal so I said: go. He tried to jump in and while he was doing that I realised the poor dog had joint issues and just couldn't so I quickly grabbed him and helped him. I felt really stupid to have assumed he was waiting or didn't want to... It made me realise we often read our animals cues wrong and that we always need to have an open mind...

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post #53 of 60 Old 05-13-2020, 11:05 AM
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what???? she found one? How do you mean? It was escaped? Or? That's intriguing, tell me! :) Maybe I can find one too if I am really lucky haha. In the meantime looking for alternatives:
On a mountain pass. Highway department figured she'd been dumped. Lovely and well trained Arab mare. Never claimed. She has packed a lot of grand kids and is probably well into the upper 20s by now. Lucky girl!
I know another woman in the central part of the country who had two horses wander into her place. They were also never claimed.
It happens...sad. Reservation land seems to be another disposal site. I hate people sometimes...well, a lot, actually.

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post #54 of 60 Old 05-14-2020, 04:42 PM Thread Starter
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@Dustbunny wow that's really uncalled for. You can always find a better solution than dumping your horse. Here people dump chickens, cats, dogs and rabbits but I never heard of anyone dumping a horse like that... Someone dumped 4 tiny kittens on my parents porch. Sigh... those people... We still have one, she is 14-15 now. :)

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post #55 of 60 Old 05-14-2020, 07:15 PM
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Serbia (a poor, non-horsey country in the Balkans)

We have a weird situation here. Horses are either from 500 Eur (meat price) to 2000 Eur or between 10.000 and 20.000 (sports horses). There is literally nothing in between other than an occasional Friesian which is, curiously, always priced at 8.000 Eur.

The cheap ones are either TBs, Lipizzaners (we have a GLUT of those), Arabs or just farm mongrels (my mare is one of those). The expensive ones are either sports horses, young TBs with good papers or exceptional Lipizzaners.

The cheap ones range from unhandled to decently trained for normal riding to crazy and/or lame. Itís weird. I passed on buying an amazing, safe, decently trained TB for 1.000. A nutty OTTB just off the track goes for 800. The difference between the two is enormous.

People who want a better horse than the 20k sports horse usually go to Germany to buy them. Nobody would pay more than 20k for a local horse.

My full livery board (7 meals a day, 3 stall cleanings and turnout service, hold for farrier and vet) is 250 Eur. For additional 150 Eur I can have someone exercise her for the month (both lunging and riding). There are fancier and more expensive yards, up to 600.

Lessons on school horses are 5-20 Eur. There are only bog standard school horses available. If you want to learn jumping or dressage, you have own a horse.

We never have large vet bills because there arenít any proper equestrian vets or facilities. So if it cannot be fixed with an antibiotic or a corticosteroid and a few stitches, thatís it.

There is only one tack shop in the whole country and it doesnít hold too much stock - mainly lower end quality. We buy almost everything of Horze website or when we go abroad. There is a lively second hand market.
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post #56 of 60 Old 05-15-2020, 03:29 PM Thread Starter
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@Horsef You're from Serbia? :) I am from Belgium, we're not that far apart!I didn't know horseback riding was so unpopular over there... Here there are also a lot of horses on second hand websites. They go from a couple hundreds to 3000 euros... You don't know what you are buying though... You would need to be lucky to find a good one but I guess it can be done... we have lots of tack shops but they are really expensive. Riding is more of an elite sport... The riding pants in those shops can be 200 euros that's why I order my pants in Decathlon or cheaply online for 15-20 euros max... I also bought a lot of equipment online because it was cheaper.

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@Horsef You're from Serbia? :) I am from Belgium, we're not that far apart!I didn't know horseback riding was so unpopular over there... Here there are also a lot of horses on second hand websites. They go from a couple hundreds to 3000 euros... You don't know what you are buying though... You would need to be lucky to find a good one but I guess it can be done... we have lots of tack shops but they are really expensive. Riding is more of an elite sport... The riding pants in those shops can be 200 euros that's why I order my pants in Decathlon or cheaply online for 15-20 euros max... I also bought a lot of equipment online because it was cheaper.
Yes, I'm from Serbia - in American distances we are practically next door :)

Horse riding is an expensive sport and Serbia is a poor country so people can't afford it. Just as an example, as I said, my livery is 250 EUR per month and the average salary is around 400 EUR. There are some people who can afford sports horses but not a whole lot. Majority of horses are owned by small time farmers (I am not even sure what they use them for since nobody uses them for actual farm work). We have around 14.000 horses and between 6 and 7 million people. That isn't all that many.

I did have a very big problem when I was buying my horse - most of the horses were either completely untrained or OTTBs, Lippizaners and Arabs - not very good choices for a novice. I lucked out eventually but it was not fun at all. One day, my instructor and I went to see five horses, three of which promptly reared when she mounted, one we couldn't even get a saddle on and the fifth one she bought because it wasn't completely bonkers.

I managed to get my mare from a trail riding stable. I went riding with them without telling them I am looking for a horse, rode her (and some other horses) a few times and made them an offer well above market prices. That's the only way I could figure out how to avoid getting swindled or buying a drugged up horse.
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post #58 of 60 Old 05-15-2020, 10:21 PM
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I like your ingenuity @Horsef !
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post #59 of 60 Old 05-16-2020, 04:49 PM
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It is very cool to read about how it works in other countries!

When I was in Rome for work, I booked a 7 hour ride on the outskirts of Rome, in Ancient Ostia, and since it was just me and the owner of the stable, we got lots of time to talk and get to know each other. She got most of her horses from the city, where they are used to pull carts. Mostly, they would come to her in terrible condition. Starving, skinny, poorly kept. She would put them out in a field and let them eat as much as they could. They probably all had ulcers. Eventually, she would turn some of them into decent trail horses, but some were hopeless cases she just couldn't turn away. It was very sad, but she took great care of her horses.
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It is very cool to read about how it works in other countries!

When I was in Rome for work, I booked a 7 hour ride on the outskirts of Rome, in Ancient Ostia, and since it was just me and the owner of the stable, we got lots of time to talk and get to know each other. She got most of her horses from the city, where they are used to puull carts. Mostly, they would come to her in terrible condition. Starving, skinny, poorly kept. She would put them out in a field and let them eat as much as they could. They probably all had ulcers. Eventually, she would turn some of them into decent trail horses, but some were hopeless cases she just couldn't turn away. It was very sad, but she took great care of her horses.
I have a funny horsey story from Rome: there was a row of horse drawn carriages in front of the Pantheon. A group of middle aged Chinese tourists was trying to take photos with them but they were too scared to come closer than 10m. Eventually, one gentleman got his courage up, grabbed his wife by the hand and pushed/encouraged her towards the closest horse. She was petrified, but tried bravely to approach - towards the horses hind, presumably to avoid getting bitten. She was taking her time, squeaking and retreating every time the horse showed even a hint of life. While this was going on, the driver sneaked up around the carriage and, at an opportune moment, goosed the lady and yelped. Well, this poor lady screamed as loud as humanly possible and practically teleported up the stairs she came down. Every time my horse spooks, I think back and compare it to that monumental spook - there was no way any rider would have sat that lady :)
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