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post #51 of 82 Old 03-26-2016, 04:17 PM
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Nervous rider can lead to a nervous horse. Nervous horse can lead to a nervous rider. At least one of the pair has to have confidence to build confidence in the other. The real issues start when neither horse or rider has confidence.

Unfortunately whoever is the nervous one of a pairing can destroy the confidence the other rather than the confident one building confidence in the nervous one.
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I was going to apologize for derailing the thread, but I think this is a great subject......I was mocked, a lot, by a certain poster on another board for "only being and arena rider" and that is plain wrong, it is my choice to ride in an arena, my choice to take lessons, compete, get in front of a judge and get feed back. My horse, my time, my money MY CHOICE. I never, ever, ever look down on those who choose not to compete, I totally hate it when people describe themselves as "just a trail rider" because to me being able to ride out and about is not a "just"

It is kind of sad though when a certain type of trail rider, thinking back to my unpleasant stalker, derides any sort of arena work, thinks that their own way of riding is everything, is not open to learning or developing their skills or understanding in anyway, especially when they believed some very scary things!
This really spoke to me. One of the things that frustrates me about talking with horse people (or dog people, or any-other-hobby-people) is that instead of recognizing there is a common interest and enjoying great conversation, there is a tendency to preach. You know, the people who imply "I'm better than you because I do it this way and your way is wrong". I have ridden mountain trails (steep, scary ones). I have ridden down country roads with traffic. I have ridden in open fields (all the former on other horses) and now I am riding in indoor and outdoor arenas and hope to add the open 80 acre field this summer, but that will be the only "riding out" that I will do. I like it. I don't really miss the other types of riding. My mare is just fine with arenas.

If my horse does everything I want her to do and both she and I are happy, what difference does it make to anyone else? No one else rides my horse. I am not getting her ready to sell. I don't have a trailer so "training" her to ride trails is not going to happen. My mare is broke the way I want her for the way I ride her. She is dependable for me. If there were ever a reason for me to sell her, she would certainly be sold with a disclaimer regarding her "riding out" experience.

I guess it all comes back to definitions. Each of us seems to have a different definition of "broke". I can see where "broke" might mean to "stand while mounting and dismounting, WTC, turn stop, back up and do all of the above no matter where ridden." That is a great definition. I am satisfied with "broke enough for my use" and since I am the only one riding my mare, it should only matter to me.
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I think with her its a trust thing - is it maybe an issue that comes along as we get older and more aware of what can wrong?
Hi JayDee, Whinnie, Darrin, All!

Oh Yea; when I was younger, I would bounce. These days I go splat.

Trust can't be bought, or taught (perhaps arguable; we wont go there); it has to be earned. Mostly thru shared successes. And unfortunately, one "Oh Shi*" cancels out about a dozen "AttaBoys".

Maybe we will go there: There are mental techniques that will help deal with insecurity and fear; not so much get rid of them, as mask them so they don't interfere with the job at hand. They are related to Visualization, and also to Lamaze. I am a novice at this, but know enough to understand the benefits to be gained.

Mostly, tho, I'm just too stupid to be properly afraid of the big monsters ;-)

Whinnie, for nearly all of us, a horse is an expensive hobby. It can only be considered "worthwhile" if you get something back from the relationship. I know plenty of fine horse people who don't even ride; they just love their equine friends. I certainly couldn't justify the expense (and time) put into maintaining my herd based only on "time in the saddle"; would work out to a hundred dollars per hour or more. Do what _you_ like to do, because _you_ like to do it. Anything else is a slippery slide to disaster IMO.

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Mostly, tho, I'm just too stupid to be properly afraid of the big monsters
That's me! I went from riding dirt bikes to horses, figured a horse tossing me couldn't hurt any worse than a bike. So far I've been right.
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This really spoke to me. One of the things that frustrates me about talking with horse people (or dog people, or any-other-hobby-people) is that instead of recognizing there is a common interest and enjoying great conversation, there is a tendency to preach. You know, the people who imply "I'm better than you because I do it this way and your way is wrong". I have ridden mountain trails (steep, scary ones). I have ridden down country roads with traffic. I have ridden in open fields (all the former on other horses) and now I am riding in indoor and outdoor arenas and hope to add the open 80 acre field this summer, but that will be the only "riding out" that I will do. I like it. I don't really miss the other types of riding. My mare is just fine with arenas.

If my horse does everything I want her to do and both she and I are happy, what difference does it make to anyone else? No one else rides my horse. I am not getting her ready to sell. I don't have a trailer so "training" her to ride trails is not going to happen. My mare is broke the way I want her for the way I ride her. She is dependable for me. If there were ever a reason for me to sell her, she would certainly be sold with a disclaimer regarding her "riding out" experience.

I guess it all comes back to definitions. Each of us seems to have a different definition of "broke". I can see where "broke" might mean to "stand while mounting and dismounting, WTC, turn stop, back up and do all of the above no matter where ridden." That is a great definition. I am satisfied with "broke enough for my use" and since I am the only one riding my mare, it should only matter to me.
^^^^ THIS! Do what you want to do and what you're comfortable doing Jan. I want to trail ride. More than I want to ride in an arena. So Harley needs to learn to deal with trails. If you don't care about doing trails, then don't worry about it. I'm sure riding him in the outdoor arena won't be that different from the indoor though. Except for the first ride or two, when he'll be more excitable. That's normal - spring fever. Maybe just take him out when he's calm, which, depending on Gatsby, might be at the beginning or at the end of a lesson. Just walk him around at first. After a couple of rides out, you'll both get the hang of it.
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Sorry Jan, I re-read your original post and realized I hadn't quite read it correctly. That happens sometimes when there are so many responses. :)

I thought you were worried about going from the indoor arena to the outdoor arena, but it sounds like you're ok with riding in the outdoor arena, and are just worried Gatsby will only be comfortable being ridden in an arena. In that case, yes, I would just take him outside, walk him around, groom him outdoors as I'd suggested in a previous post. But if you're really mostly planning on arena riding, then don't worry about it. Leading him around the property would certainly be a great bonding experience for you however!
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This really spoke to me. One of the things that frustrates me about talking with horse people (or dog people, or any-other-hobby-people) is that instead of recognizing there is a common interest and enjoying great conversation, there is a tendency to preach. You know, the people who imply "I'm better than you because I do it this way and your way is wrong". I have ridden mountain trails (steep, scary ones). I have ridden down country roads with traffic. I have ridden in open fields (all the former on other horses) and now I am riding in indoor and outdoor arenas and hope to add the open 80 acre field this summer, but that will be the only "riding out" that I will do. I like it. I don't really miss the other types of riding. My mare is just fine with arenas.

If my horse does everything I want her to do and both she and I are happy, what difference does it make to anyone else? No one else rides my horse. I am not getting her ready to sell. I don't have a trailer so "training" her to ride trails is not going to happen. My mare is broke the way I want her for the way I ride her. She is dependable for me. If there were ever a reason for me to sell her, she would certainly be sold with a disclaimer regarding her "riding out" experience.

I guess it all comes back to definitions. Each of us seems to have a different definition of "broke". I can see where "broke" might mean to "stand while mounting and dismounting, WTC, turn stop, back up and do all of the above no matter where ridden." That is a great definition. I am satisfied with "broke enough for my use" and since I am the only one riding my mare, it should only matter to me.
Yes, exactly. Thanks for that reminder. I guess I was just worried that Gatsby would get bored being in the arenas all the time, but it sounds like as long as I mix things up, probably not.
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I have no problem with people doing what they want with their horse, and sorry my definition of 'broke' ,seemed to cause some defensive type reaction
I guess it stems from the fact that I raised horses for many years, strated them, and then sold them, and having my horses able to do both, ensured not just better salability, but also prevented a scenario , like the following example
When we stopped raising horses, I rode the broodmares again, as they had a better chance in finding homes as trail horses then broodmares. We also gelded out stallion, and sold him as a non pro horse, as I had shown him successfully as ajr horse
The person that bought him, some 8 years ago, and who became a good friend, had first almost bought another horse.
Her policy was always to try a horse three times before buying-twice in an arena and once on a trail ride. The mare she tried, rode beautiful in the arena, being a finished show horse.
Third time she took her out on aride. Rode okay away, with another horse, but the minute she was turned towards home, that horse reared and plunged forward
Needless to say, that killed the sale, as that horse, was not truly 'broke', by many people's definition.
If you just have a horse you are going to keep for life, and both of you are happy just arena riding, then that is enough 'broke' for the two of you, but that is not what most horsemen consider broke-a horse that only rides well in an arena
I happen to love both types of riding, and have enjoyed taking many different clinics, training my horses to be competitive in a number of events, but I also love trial riding
I guess that is partly due tot he fact that mountains are a short haul for us, and we can ride in areas that are still true wilderness. Riding just around busy streets, would not be something I would be keen on doing, as the reason to trail ride , for me, is for wilderness experiences
Thus, no intention to offend anyone that just feels comfortable riding in an arena, and who has no intention of ever selling that horse
My perspective comes from someone that sold horses I raised and trained, and also from the fact that I enjoy both types of activities, and sure as heck knows, my show horses remain happier also trail ridden some
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NOte, I also said 'can' only be arena ridden, not 'is' just arena ridden, referring to a'broke;' horse definition
Totally agree that a rider should ride a horse just in their comfort zone, thus some horses just arena ridden, can be ridden out, depending on rider confidence.
On the other hand, those horses that have always been just arena ridden, are basket cases ridden out, are not truly broke, and I have no problem defending that stance!
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I'm not really sure about this idea that a horse that doesn't go out on trails isn't properly broke
If its 100% responsive to the cues in the arena and does everything asked of it then surely its 'broke'?
If the horse is just nervous of being out in the big wide world because its never been there it just has to get used too it and there will likely be some spooking and a bit of anxiety but as long as it knows how to respond to the rider when asked that isn't the same as not being properly broke?
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