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post #11 of 33 Old 03-07-2017, 06:24 PM
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Then again some horses prefer the feeling of a leverage bit, as in dutch gag, because they can feel vibrating through the reins better. Nothing wrong with the bit, just how it is used often.
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I'm not actually sure she knows he was gifted to me :/ I do want her to keep leasing him though as her paying half his board is very helpful for my wallet!
You should inform her, she is now YOUR leaser, before this blows up in your face. The lack of communication is very bad for all parties involved. Of course, be kind and since you still want her leasing, make it clear that you still want her to. But she needs to know the situation. It's nice to know who the owner is of the horse you're leasing!

Did you get the transfer of ownership in some form of writing? Are you the one now on the boarding contract? I hope previous owner didn't just say "here you go, he's yours now" and not complete all the other things that entail transfer of ownership. Since the leaser doesn't know... I hope the trainer and barn owner at least know who the owner is now?

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You should inform her, she is now YOUR leaser, before this blows up in your face. The lack of communication is very bad for all parties involved. Of course, be kind and since you still want her leasing, make it clear that you still want her to. But she needs to know the situation. It's nice to know who the owner is of the horse you're leasing!

Did you get the transfer of ownership in some form of writing? Are you the one now on the boarding contract? I hope previous owner didn't just say "here you go, he's yours now" and not complete all the other things that entail transfer of ownership. Since the leaser doesn't know... I hope the trainer and barn owner at least know who the owner is now?
The trainer and barn owner know, dont worry. I havent really had much contact with the leaser yet, and dont know if the previous owner told her, but I will let her know when I see her tomorrow. As for paperwork, the horse doesnt have any papers, but its my name on the boarding contract, and I'm working on getting the equestrian federation to put my name on his 'passport' (for shows etc). Still working things out!!
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Good to know! I got worried for a second there that this was one of those little kids promises. You know, when you have a five year old at the barn who says "I pick this horse, he's mine now!" And you say, "Sure, yeah, ok" lol.

Glad to hear you will be informing your leaser. I know I wouldn't be happy if a horse I was leasing changed ownership and they didn't bother to tell me for a great length of time, meaning months.
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If she's going to continue leasing your horse, you need a contract with her anyway, immediately. It is also then very easy to put into the contract your terms of tack use.

If I was in your shoes, I'd let her use my tack but have the state of the tack and how often the tack should be cleaned in writing.

Also, make sure you have a Bill of Sale.
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post #16 of 33 Old 03-08-2017, 02:18 AM
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^That figure out exactly what tack you want her to use (and how to take care of it) and put it in a contract (along with other basic lease stuff). Tell her "I'd love for you to keep riding him as you are now but as he's mine now I have more responsibilities" I'd explain that you hadn't spoken to the trainer yet and were sorry for the miscommunication about that as well.
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Maybe she can purchase her own, this way it'll make it easier for the both of you? You don't 'have' to share yours with hers.
My trainer shares all her tack with me, as I'm leasing her horse. I only use my own saddle-pad & grooming supplies.
I DO keep her tack clean though, as if it was my own. She instructed me to keep it clean. No problem for me.
I would have a talk with her, maybe about cleaning it? Just tell her 'it would really help me out if you cleaned the tack, this way it will be clean for the both of us' or something like that.
If not, she should buy her own bridle/bit.

There's nothing wrong with feeling that way. You don't HAVE to share your personal tack you just bought. I'd keep it in your car or lock it up somehow so nobody can use it but you.
OR do a written contract. Either way!

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Thanks for all the suggestions guys! a contract is not really something thats done here, cultural difference ;) Same with bill of sale for a hirse without papers. Were putting my name on his passport, with a verifying stamp from the equestrian federation here to prove hes mine.

I will tell her ok to sharing the bridles, for now, provided we both keep them clean and looked after and pay for any possible damage to the other's stuff (fixes or replacement), but add that i do hope to have a full set each in the next couple of months. :)
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The most concerning thing to me is that you don't have a bill of sale. You should have a receipt or a bill of sale for anything you own, you wouldn't just take someone's word that you now own a car and drive off with it without getting a signed contract first. At least with the USEF a bill of sale is required to change ownership of a horse so they know a legal transaction has occurred. I would want a contract with the former owner ASAP and a lease contract outlining what equipment can be used, what days horse can be ridden, who is responsible for what payments, etc. Maybe it isn't the "cultural" thing there or maybe you are being taken advantage of. My lease contracts are 10-20 pages long usually, it provides structure and protection for both you and the leaser.

As far as the tack question I prefer to have all my stuff used on my leased out horses, I've purchased equipment that fits them and works for them and I'd rather that be used than they try something that doesn't work. I always stipulate that tack MUST be cleaned after every use.

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Seconding that you still need a bill of sale, JUST IN CASE. :P

If I was going to lease my horse out, I'd expect to provide my leasee with my horse's tack. I'm too picky about how my tack fits my horse, I wouldn't want to think about the possibility that my leasee is riding my horse in a bit/saddle that I haven't approved/that doesnt fit as well as mine. On the other side of it, if I was the one doing the leasing, I wouldn't even consider leasing a horse where I'm required to provide my own tack. Part of the benefit of having a partial lease on a horse is that you don't have to invest money in things like tack.

Do you actually like having her lease Moro? Sure, the financial benefits are awesome, but it sounds like you're not really enthusiastic about sharing him (which is 100% fair, especially since you just got him gifted to you). I'd say just think about whether or not the financial benefits outweigh the freedom/lack of stress of having your horse belong to you and only you.
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