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post #1 of 59 Old 10-29-2014, 05:28 AM Thread Starter
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Question I desperately need help!

Hi guys!

I desperately need your practical advice as soon as possible.

I am not posting the whole soppy story here - just a short version for a little background...

My neighbour is a very stubborn 40+ man who lives on a farm next to ours. He got himself a pretty young girl (maybe 20?) and she moved in. He then got her a beautiful Friesian mare as a welcoming gift. It did not take long for the girl to lose interest in the horse as well as her relationship.

I don't know exactly what happened between the two of them, but Girl left in a hurry and now Neighbour wants this horse of his property. He asked me to make a plan with her if I do not want her to became dog food. So I went over there with the horse box, but for the life of me could not get this girl loaded! She refused. I have tried everything I could think of - treats, feed, pulling, we put a rope around her rear end and pulled both sides. She "locks" her front legs and would not take a step forward.

The more we struggled, the more agitated Neighbour got. He said I have until Sunday to come fetch her, and unfortunately I believe he would really kill her if she's still there by Monday.

Please help with advice on how to load her!
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post #2 of 59 Old 10-29-2014, 05:37 AM
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How far away are you?

Could you possibly walk her in hand to your place? Try not to get yourself, and her in to a panic. Keep it calm, and take food to entice her on. Or get the vet to give her a mild sedative? Have you tried tapping her bum with a whip (not hitting her, just to get her to pick her feet up) as well?

Ask for professional help from a trainer, if possible. You're only going to be able to improve this when she is at yours.
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post #3 of 59 Old 10-29-2014, 06:00 AM
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I'm sure I'm going to get lifted out of the heavens for this but...

This is a situation where you do not have the time to be nice. You are going to tell this horse she is getting onto the box, end of story. No nicey nicey treats and baby talk. Try and get a person either side, and a person to lift her fronts up to the box. Make it as welcoming as possible, take the divider out of needed and make sure you are doing this in the day light, and that the box is bright. She's been in a box before (that's how she got there afterall) so don't let her take the mick. Be firm but fair, and make sure you are well stocked up on "bottled patience"

For one incredibly difficult loader we once used a large roundbale of straw and rolled it up behind him and used that to push - he kicked the heck out of, did no damage to himself and no damage to us. The next day we had to load him, he walked right on in.

Stop for a minute, open your mind, learn. You may not agree with what I say, I may not agree with what you say but we will both learn something new.
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post #4 of 59 Old 10-29-2014, 06:02 AM
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if it's coming down to a life and death thing for the horse.. I agree.. throw "nice" out the window.. drag it.. push it.. sedate it.. do whatever you have to to get it in, like you said your afraid he may really kill the horse

Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.
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post #5 of 59 Old 10-29-2014, 06:12 AM
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A rather simple, effective method I've had work requires 2 people and assumes the horse is sane.

1 person inside the horse box holding onto the lead rope with light, steady pressure. The other person outside giving the horse firm (but not hard) smacks on the rump in a steady rhythm (1..2..3..4..1..2..3..4..) .

Everytime the horse sniffs, takes a step forward, or shows any kinda interest in going inside- the pressure is released from both ends. If the horse goes backward or starts to panic- don't punish it, you just start over from whatever spot it feels safe. Every time they progress even the slightest, reward them by releasing pressure and give them a moment to think and realize they aren't going to die.

It can take quite a bit of time- so give yourself time to do it. most of the time, with this particular method, takes @ 2 hours most, but some horses can take 4 hours or more.

Light sedatives can help, as suggested.

Also, make sure the trailer is the biggest you have available- and the most open. Horses are claustrophobic creatures and the biggest, lightest (meaning sunlight, not weight) trailer you have available will help the mare not be so prone to panic.
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post #6 of 59 Old 10-29-2014, 08:41 AM
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Also, can you get someone else to help you beside this man? This horse could be feeling his bad energy and getting nervous.

Another method I've used when necessary, but only effective if the horse gives reasonably well to a rope halter.

Very long, very sturdy lead rope. Mine is about 30'. Goes from Horses rope halter up into the trailer, out a window and back to you. Wear gloves. Tapping on horse rear to "annoy" her to move her feet and keeping constant pressure on the rope. Each time she takes a step forward, take up the slack in the rope. Keep her from going back. She will eventually take a step forward to release pressure on her halter. One step at a time, you're not hauling her in there, just not letting her back out.

I've had horses strong enough that needed two ropes and two people, but it works every time. And they can stretch those necks out! Just don't release pressure until SHE steps forward. That's her release.

Or if she's ridable, just ride her to your home?

Good luck and please let us know how it goes.
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post #7 of 59 Old 10-29-2014, 09:09 AM
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Fresians are not cheap!!! Why would he just want to destroy it even if he doesn't want to care for it? Sounds strange to me...
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post #8 of 59 Old 10-29-2014, 09:19 AM
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Fresians are not cheap!!! Why would he just want to destroy it even if he doesn't want to care for it? Sounds strange to me...

Because if he has no idea about horses, its eating his money and time.
People who don't "know" won't know the value of such animals. He may have paid out for it, but he probably just wants rid now
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post #9 of 59 Old 10-29-2014, 10:35 AM
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Make a box with steel panels right behind the trailer, with trailer open. Put horse in box. Put food in front of trailer. Wait. If horse does not self-load within the hour, use flags CAREFULLY to encourage horse to go in. Shake them a bit when the horse turns away from trailer, stop when horse faces trailer.
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post #10 of 59 Old 10-29-2014, 10:40 AM
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I'd walk it home. So long as it's safe of course. If its a busy area, schedule it for early in the morning. Have a friend help if need be.
Of course if it's not safe, I'm with everyone else, get her in the float however you can
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