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post #11 of 23 Old 09-21-2016, 10:03 PM
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I will say I know a horse that matches the description of yours to a T. He has been owned by the same very kind and gentle lady for most of his life and bought from a good home. He has been at the same 2 quality barns his entire life. He absolutely "if I were to clap my hands or pat him, not rub, he'd flinch or look like he wants to implode" as well as plenty of other things. If anything that horse is spoiled and a drama queen the most abuse he gets is not getting 10 treats a day. Just don't be so quick to jump to "abused."
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Wow, well travelled horse, from Nth Qld to Vic to NT! I bet all the trucking, as it tends to go with abrupt, if not rough handling, esp if he was shipped on a doggers load, has had a bit to do with his attitudes.

The 'horsanality' concepts are not actually Parelli inventions, but behavioural psych terms that have just been applied to horses & packaged as a 'Parelli Wonder'. Eg. people/horses/dogs/whatever can be introverted or extroverted personalities. Meaning that they're quiet, 'shy', internalise things, tend to 'shut down' when under pressure, or they're 'out there', vocal, energetic, liable to 'come out swinging' when things are too much. And 'right brained' is the term for being more emotional, reactive, sensitive, while 'left brained' is more calm, rational, thoughtful. This comes from neurological studies which show the different hemispheres of the brain control different aspects of 'personality', emotions, thinking.

**All aminals can be introverted or extroverted in different situations, all are 'left brained' & 'right brained' in different situations. That is one thing a lot of Parelli followers tend to forget/misunderstand. You can't put a horse(or person, or dog...) in a 'behavioural box' and lable it as something definite. IMO that will always be incorrect. But to understand different aspects and the *motivations behind behaviours*, be it in behavioural terms or otherwise, is helpful IMO.

Anyway... agree basically with what everyone else has said. I'd be working in a low key, non confrontational manner, being aware of his smallest bodylanguage signals, to consider what he may be ready for. THAT is a huge difference between 'introverted' & extroverted horses. It is generally plain obvious with extroverts, what they thing of any given thing, whereas you might mistake 'quiet' for 'accepting' in an introverted horse, and miss the often tiny(holding breath for eg) signs that tell you he's likely to explode(or shut down) if you 'push' any harder.

Working at liberty(real liberty, in a large yard/arena, not little pen) can be great, because if they've got the freedom to 'escape' but choose not to, you know you're doing it right. If they want to escape from you, you know you're pushing too hard(I wouldn't be working on actually driving him away until you've got his trust & the basics established).

Speaking from personal experience... I had successfully trained many horses, thought I was pretty good at 'listening' to them, but in hindsight, not sure that I had much at all to do with fearful introverted types. Until one of mine was sent to someone else for training(long story...). He'd always been outgoing & easygoing & I'd already started him under saddle, he was supposed to be going for some 'icing' training that I didn't have the time for. He came back a real mess. Uncatchable, headshy, nervous of anyone & terrified of men, a bundle of quivering nerves, even trying to do 'basic' stuff with him he'd been great at. So I basically had to start him again. Afraid to say, I did miss many signs, and thought he was ready for more at any given point... he stopped reacting, became quiet, compliant, to whatever we were doing & we'd move on. But I kept coming up against 'Jekyll & Hyde' - he'd be fine for the most part, then 'suddenly, out of the blue' with something we'd been doing OK on, he'd come 'unglued' again. It took for a friend to point out to me that when he was 'quiet' he was actually holding his breath!! Once I realised the state the poor guy was in & I was adding to it, I was finally able to really 'listen' to him & get us over it.

I always try to work with a horse where he's at at the time, whether I've had him for bit or just got him. Whether he's been 'abused' or pampered. And I don't tend to handle them all that differently, excepting in time frame of doing stuff - whatever they're ready for, they're ready for. If they're not up for it, we don't go further yet. And while many horses I've worked with I don't know their history, agree with Yogi that IME the behaviour of this horse doesn't scream 'abused' to me. Maybe he was, but I wouldn't treat him with kid gloves because of it.
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Yup, good training is in the moment. I don't analyze a horse before doing anything (in a concious planned out way), I need to get going so I just go. If the horse is nervous, I deal with that, if the horse is lazy I deal with that, if the horse is fresh I deal with that. It's all in the moment.
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The right brain,left brain concept has been pretty much de-bunked
Pat and Linda Parelli were at the Mane Event, about a year ago, and Linda gave a talk on the horsenality thing. which she claimed she came up with one night, and presented the idea to Pat in the morning
She then presented several videod case histories, in support to that'Pseudo science For a Mane Event special, drum roll, you could get your horse's personality charted, at half price-What a deal!
I agree on taking your time,earning his trust, but also work with the horse you now have, versus over analyzing a possible past, proceeding much like Yogiwick suggested, and working with the issues he has now.
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Ever heard about "Horsenality™"...the stuff that some Horseman teach you about the personality/psychology in horses, based on right- or left brain activity ? I always had serious doubts about his theory...Now read this: see link (and keep in mind two things ! 1st. the brain of any mammal is constructed in the same way, with some differences, but they are all based on the same "blueprint" if you want,... and 2nd. that those Horseman have NO[!] scientific evidence that support their theory. Means their theory of "Horsenality™" is one more story based on pure pseudo-science ) .....

Researchers debunk myth of 'right-brained' and 'left-brained' personality traits
Neuroscientists now assert that there is no evidence within brain imaging that indicates some people are…
SCIENCEDAILY.COM

I did not put in link to above, as it goes to a Facebook site, which is not allowed here
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^Interesting Smilie. I studied behavioural psych many years ago when the 'right brain/left brain' theory was what was taught as 'fact'. But I should know, 'They'(as in the collective 'expert' They) tend to change their minds on 'facts' on all sorts, every 20 years or so. Goes to show, we shouldn't be too 'sold' on our beliefs, because regardless of the 'science' behind them now, essentially it's all just 'theory'. Especially in the realm of psychology.

BUT the neuroscience behind the 'left/right hemisphere' idea may be debunked, but IME, the behaviours/bodylanguage connected with certain emotional states are still valid, whether or not we think of them as 'right brained' or lable them in some other way... or not.
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Hi everyone, I just want to thankyou so much for your replies. ☺
I just want to state that I only labelled him as a right-brained introvert to get you all to have an insight on what I'm dealing with here. Bit hard to label every possible thing when there is already a chart made up! Real assumption or not.


To end up at the doggers, people who do that, just let their horses have once chance at sales and then become dog meat if not purchased doesn't scream spoiling or pampering to me. Plus working on a bronc station for the majority of his life I wouldn't believe the men working out there would care if they get their treat after a 16 hours day in the heat. Just kick them on until they've either had enough or whip them until they have no energy left to fight. I know as I've been to plenty of stations up here in the Northern Territory and have seen more than I'd like to.

But I do believe in second chances. It was a big decision to truck a horse up 3,500 + km that I've never met before with such a big past & not much experience in other things. It will be worth it in the end and I can't wait to see what he is capable of!
I'm not familiar with the 'liberty training' as I haven't purchased any DVDs from Parelli. But I'll continue with what I'm doing, get to his level and be a strong leader!


I'll keep you all updated! ♥
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Slightly O/T but I think you were missing the point I'm trying to make. Not that your horse was clearly pampered (who knows) just that no one ever knows and it's easy to jump to conclusions.
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Slightly O/T but I think you were missing the point I'm trying to make. Not that your horse was clearly pampered (who knows) just that no one ever knows and it's easy to jump to conclusions.
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I'm not familiar with the 'liberty training' as I haven't purchased any DVDs from Parelli.
Yeah, I've only seen him work an untrained horse 'free' in a pen, unless the 'free' horse was extensively trained online first. That's the Parelli 'brand', that I don't personally really think of as real liberty. I'm talking about *starting* a horse literally at liberty - well, a very large yard/small paddock, anyway(if you can find a small paddock in NT! ). The point of it is, if the horse is truly fearful but not showing many obvious signs(shut down or 'introverted'), then working with them loose will allow you to know when you're doing too much/being too confronting - the horse will just bug off. So it forces you to be really switched on, sensitive & ensures you work in such a way that the horse wants to hang round with you, play your games One Australian trainer who has also made some vids comes to mind, that might help on that note(& is vastly cheaper & more straight forward than Parelli vids IME is Carlos Tabanaberi(never remember his last name, that could be wrong...). Might be worth looking him up.
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