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post #21 of 32 Old 06-03-2016, 10:45 AM
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Looking at that second video, I would say that horse would like to go outside and that if he spent more time there with a herd, would probably calm down significantly.

There might be a very good reason, like quarantine, why he is in a stall seemingly so much that you haven't mentioned yet (or maybe he isn't stalled much and it just seems that way from your posts), but IMO his "freaking out" seems at least partially related to some pent up energy and the need for companionship (of the equine variety).
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post #22 of 32 Old 06-03-2016, 11:10 AM
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It sounds like you really found something that brings you a great deal of happiness and good bonding with your daughters. I'm absolutely thrilled for you. Being around horses is an amazing thing. They are such great animals and can really heal people.

Just be cautious, the last video was a little hard to watch, he's a 'hot' horse so being excited around him is going to amp him up, which isn't always a good thing. They may act like dogs sometimes but they are still huge animals, as cute as he seems to be acting, its not a good idea to amp him up like that. Its easy to forget that their behavior if you think they are being cute isn't always good behavior. You spoke to him like you would to a hyper happy puppy. Which if he was, would be perfectly fine. You could talk to a horse like that if its a horse you really know and know is gentle and you have a bond with, but getting horses excited like that in a stall is just never a good idea, especially if he has the problems you previously described. Even with my horse I'm always quiet and calm, you never know when something is going to set a horse off. He's in a small space and he's a 'hot' breed so if anything try be calmer around him, speak softly, love softly.

I'm not trying to put you down at all, I love the fact that you have found a new love. Especially one that you can do with your daughters, I wish my father would have been more involved, it would have been an amazing bond to share with him.

Quiet and calm is the approach you should always take with a horse, be confident and be the leader. Treat him like the huge animal he is. I think you're in a great place and doing good work with volunteering just don't be over confident, that's the easiest and quickest way to get yourself or the horse injured.

I think everyone here wants you to be successful in this but are just worried about how you're going about it, and sometimes they can be ugly about how they try to give advice. It is a little scary how you're acting around this guy, and horse people can get very up in arms about the animals. I'm really not trying to put you down or anything, just caution you.

We need more volunteers with a heart like yours! Especially with working with OTT horses, volunteers are critical, especially ones who love it, and you clearly have the bug! Horses are amazing animals and its nothing to be ashamed of as the only older guy there, you're in a great position to learn lots and help out a lot more than the little girls, who certainly help, but sometimes strength and being older and wiser is a lot more welcome.

Keep learning, loving and feel free to ask any questions.
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post #23 of 32 Old 06-03-2016, 11:35 AM Thread Starter
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See, this is how to deliver helpful advice like an adult. No threats of violence, no calling people idiots, just good advice.

Thank you.

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Just be cautious, the last video was a little hard to watch, he's a 'hot' horse so being excited around him is going to amp him up, which isn't always a good thing. Getting horses excited like that in a stall is just never a good idea, especially if he has the problems you previously described. Even with my horse I'm always quiet and calm, you never know when something is going to set a horse off. He's in a small space and he's a 'hot' breed so if anything try be calmer around him, speak softly, love softly.

I'm not trying to put you down at all, I love the fact that you have found a new love. Especially one that you can do with your daughters, I wish my father would have been more involved, it would have been an amazing bond to share with him.
Patio has a torn tendon in one of his front legs that is just about done healing up. He has been on stall rest for a couple of months and is definitely ready to get back to the herd. At this point he is being walked by a trainer daily.

He was already bucking and kicking when I came up and decided to take a video of it.

I generally don't take video of the hours I spend with him being calm and quiet and just talking to him because it's boring and a little girly. But that is how I always approach him.

This was the only time I've ever gotten close to him when he was over excited. Before I did, I watched him to see what was going on.

His ears were not pinned, he wasn't showing the whites of his eyes. You can see his tale is up and he's not swatting. These were all indications to me that he was just feeling rambunctious and was not feeling stressed by my presence.

In the last month he has gone from rather unfriendly to very happy having me around. I play little stall games with him and talk to him. he is going to make someone a very happy horse owner.
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post #24 of 32 Old 06-03-2016, 11:49 AM
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This was the only time I've ever gotten close to him when he was over excited. Before I did, I watched him to see what was going on.

His ears were not pinned, he wasn't showing the whites of his eyes. You can see his tale is up and he's not swatting. These were all indications to me that he was just feeling rambunctious and was not feeling stressed by my presence.

In the last month he has gone from rather unfriendly to very happy having me around. I play little stall games with him and talk to him. he is going to make someone a very happy horse owner.
He doesn't seem angry or upset just has a lot of energy, which is why it's hard to watch you talk to him in that high pitched excited voice, horses don't generally respond well to that. Horses don't have to show anger or frustration in the rolling of the eyes or the pinning of the ears, and just because he isn't doesn't mean what you were doing is okay. Horses are extremely sensitive to noise, energy, and attitudes. He needs calm energy around him in a state like that, that's more the point I was trying to convey. It's just generally good advice to always act calm and sound calm around any horse, even the most docile. Amping up and already excited horse can be dangerous, and its just generally not a good idea.

I'm glad he's so improved! I hope he finds the perfect home! I think this place is lucky to have someone who obviously cares and wants to get better at being around horses. It's tough being a beginner at something when you're older, but you seem really willing to learn, which is the important part. :)
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post #25 of 32 Old 06-07-2016, 02:46 PM Thread Starter
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He doesn't seem angry or upset just has a lot of energy, which is why it's hard to watch you talk to him in that high pitched excited voice, horses don't generally respond well to that. Horses don't have to show anger or frustration in the rolling of the eyes or the pinning of the ears, and just because he isn't doesn't mean what you were doing is okay. Horses are extremely sensitive to noise, energy, and attitudes. He needs calm energy around him in a state like that, that's more the point I was trying to convey. It's just generally good advice to always act calm and sound calm around any horse, even the most docile. Amping up and already excited horse can be dangerous, and its just generally not a good idea.

I'm glad he's so improved! I hope he finds the perfect home! I think this place is lucky to have someone who obviously cares and wants to get better at being around horses. It's tough being a beginner at something when you're older, but you seem really willing to learn, which is the important part. :)
Took what you said to heart. This weekend we had two visits to the farm. The girls had an absolutely fantastic time. We talked a lot about what we have been learning; how to interact with strange horses, demeanor, body position, eye contact, volume, etc. I gave Patio a lot more space and the girls had chances to practice haltering and grooming their current favorite horses.

The mini's, 7 ponies and 3 donkeys, busted loose from their paddock in the middle of feeding time. They ended up in the arena, running as a herd. They seemed to really love it. Once we got them in there we just let them run. When they were ready we took them back to the paddock. It was a little stressful, but we had plenty of volunteers around to help keep them safe.

Since some of them are fatties, we are looking into what it would take to give them a little more routine exercise. It should be fun!
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post #26 of 32 Old 10-30-2018, 06:24 PM Thread Starter
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I just have to update this...
Once the vet gave Patio a clean bill of health, I began working with him on the ground. He helped me learn a ton about communicating with horses. He helped me learn desensitizing techniques and was my patient guinea pig while I worked out how best to help him.

A wonderful family from nearby came to see Patio one Saturday and I showed off how wonderful he was. It was the mom and granddad of a young boy about my daughter's age. He had an inoperable brain tumor and this horse family wanted to make every moment of his life count. I showed them how well Patio handled all of our training aids and how well he had healed. I just gushed about how I perfect I thought he was.

As I was showing off Patio and telling them how wonderful he was, granddad says to me, "you love that horse."

It was a statement, not a question. It was the thousand pound gorilla in the barn. to be honest, I was totally taken off guard by this. in a moment I understood the truth of it. The whole time I had worked with Patio I had just thought of it as helping him to get adopted. I was focused on finding him a home, on doing whatever I could to make sure he would be safe and happy with a new family. Until he said it out loud, I had not seen what granddad had seen. I was immediately overwhelmed with emotion, overwhelmed at the realization that I cared so much about this horse. I hadn't seen it. I just hadn't been in touch with that aspect of what I was doing.

A few weeks later, Patio went home with that wonderful family. I have kept in touch with the mom, periodically checking in to see how her son is doing. She always invites me to come visit Patio and I always politely decline. I think it would crush me if he wasn't happy to see me, I just don't want to take the risk. I see him on Facebook, getting fat and happy on their beautiful farm and it gives me joy to know he is taken care of.

Besides, I have my own horses to take care of now. Last February we bought our own farm. In March we gave a Donkey named Joe temporary living arrangement and my wife fell in love with him, so he stayed. In July we brought home two horses, #MissMaggieMay a 15 year old 15HH quarter horse mare and Doodlebug aka #MisterPudding a 26 year old 14HH Welsh Pony/Thoroughbred mix for two of the happiest little girls...ahem...young ladies who ever lived.

Then in August of this year we decided to retire Doodlebug. Not long after that #Broomwrecker Bentley arrived. Bentley was another foster, an 8 year old 14HH quarter horse gelding, but with just a little training he became a keeper.

We still go to the rescue almost every weekend. I recently started helping with orientation. Once a month I talk to 50 or 60 new volunteers about the rescue. I basically tell them everything I have learned about horses and horse behavior over the last 3 years and I offer to teach them how to groom, halter and lead horses.
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post #27 of 32 Old 10-30-2018, 06:32 PM
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Hey there! Thanks for the update and the awesome thread resurrection. Photos?

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It's been a wonderful read, and so glad to hear you have fully entered into service unto our equine overlords.
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post #28 of 32 Old 10-30-2018, 09:22 PM Thread Starter
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