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post #1 of 41 Old 11-10-2014, 03:51 PM Thread Starter
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I'll probably regret asking this...

but why the intense disdain between English and Western riders.

I understand that English riding comes from the tradition of knights and the aristocracy whereas Western riding comes from livestock herders and I can understand that the aristocracy might look down on "cowpokes" but it seems more than that.

Sure I'd expect a healthy bit of "my style is better than yours" but not the bitter hatred I've seen in a few people now.

Is there something about/between the two disciplines I don't know about that causes such partisanship?
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post #2 of 41 Old 11-10-2014, 03:55 PM
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I think sometimes it is almost a city person vs. country person kind of thing... I know English riding is not very common in rural areas. I was not exposed to it much until college. Western barns don't look as common in big cities. If I wanted to go to a Western facility in St. Louis when I move, it looks like my options would be pretty limited, whereas there are 20+ different English barns.

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post #3 of 41 Old 11-10-2014, 03:58 PM
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Its no different than Ford VS. Chevy, Dog VS. Cat, or Chocolate Vs.Vanilla. Every one has their preferred method of doing things and when the differences between 2 like things as so great, people quickly divide, and choose sides. The same divide is there between gaited riders and non gaited riders, Shod VS. Bare foot, and bits VS bitless.

This is a sport/hobby where MOST of the people in it are very passionate about what they do and have chosen their specific flavor based on what is best for them. And, most of us have spent a small fortune on our preferred style of riding and can not swallow/admit, that their might be something that is equally as enjoyable.

Viranh, likely has hit the nail on the head though, I believe it lies mostly in the local culture. Not so much,the aristocracy of it, but more so, "this is how daddy did it".

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post #4 of 41 Old 11-10-2014, 04:40 PM
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I've not seen any dislike - both can cost you a lot of money, both require a high level of training and expertise if you're at the high end of the competitive sports and lots of people seem to ride both seats in the US
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post #5 of 41 Old 11-10-2014, 04:46 PM
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I think you see that partisanship primarily when a person from say an English background has only had exposure to poor western riding, or vice versa. If I as an English rider only ever saw yahoo's running around with huge curb bits in the mouth of their two year olds while cranking and sawing on the reins to get a headset...I would be pretty put off from western riding too. As it is, I have seen good English riding, good Western riding, and poor and sometimes down right cruel riding done in both kinds of tack.
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post #6 of 41 Old 11-10-2014, 04:47 PM
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I would stay away from the people with the bitter hatred of riding styles other than their own.
I can see someone having a hatred of abusive trainers in any discipline.
Some people.. you just gotta ignore.
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post #7 of 41 Old 11-10-2014, 04:50 PM
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I think most horses are started with the English style. I know mine are & I ride mainly Western. Once they have the English basics down they move on to Western but the saddle doesn't change.
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post #8 of 41 Old 11-10-2014, 05:22 PM
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I think people get exposed to the bad much more often then they do to the good. I recently had to go to a english barn and they couldn't believe that A) I could ride english and keep up with them or B) that I could ride a western horse in either a curb or snaffle and not jerk on their mouths.

I think a lot of it's cultural too. Where I am there's really not room for a horse that cannot go work on a farm as well as show or for an english saddle. However I think the two disciplines are interconnected a lot more than people like to give them credit for.
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I think people get exposed to the bad much more often then they do to the good. I recently had to go to a english barn and they couldn't believe that A) I could ride english and keep up with them or B) that I could ride a western horse in either a curb or snaffle and not jerk on their mouths.

I think a lot of it's cultural too. Where I am there's really not room for a horse that cannot go work on a farm as well as show or for an english saddle. However I think the two disciplines are interconnected a lot more than people like to give them credit for.
Having done a lot of both, I agree with you.
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post #10 of 41 Old 11-10-2014, 05:56 PM
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Great question!

I see it like this...

English Jumpers think that Western Barrel Racers aren't good riders. Western Barrel Racers say that the Jumpers only have look pretty.

Cross country champs think us measly little 'pleasure' trail riders aren't any good. We little trail riders think they are too much into the competiveness.

It's all opinion, all what you as a individual like, and ALL WHAT YOU AND YOUR HORSE CAN DO TOGETHER.

Now y'all, I don't mean all barrel racers, trail riders, XC champs, and Jumpers are like that. But the ones that are HIGH HIGH HIGH up in what they do, tend to be.

Now me, I've been on both sides of the fence. I currently barrel race, I pleasure trail ride, I've jumped, and I've ridden XC a lot. It has all taken skills, practice, and a passion. I have found English isn't for me, but that may not be true for someone else.

English girl/guys to tend to be more 'city'. "Cowpokes" seem more... well... WESTERN! I enjoy western because it's more relaxed, and it seems not to take such intense training. My Jumpers were schooled, schooled, schooled. My speed horses run the pattern once a month.

I love to jump, and occasionally do it with my western mares and geldings. But, the 'Rivalry' comes from one thing;

YOUR
OWN
PASSION!

I love a good western ride to relax. Some love a good English training session. You have that 'English is great' and that 'Western is so much more fun than English' attitude.

Anyway, that's just my honest opinion. I respect English riders, and hope they respect me.

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