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post #21 of 56 Old 12-22-2016, 01:23 PM
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I am spoiled. Somehow I got lucky enough to have a herd of very good natured horses so I often catch myself being too lax around strange horses until I get a reminder. At the same time I've seen my very good natured horses test a person they don't know which could be part of the situation you encountered Horsef.

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post #22 of 56 Old 12-22-2016, 01:23 PM
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My vet says the same thing in regards to sedation
How the horse behaves when being sedated? One very sharp colt (Cassini I x Jalisco B descendant) fought to the very last moment when he was sedated for castration. Prior to the operation he would frequently be rearing if there was something he didn't want to do. Never something I would call an honest horse.

Some more mellow, or not so bright, ones just go straight down.
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post #23 of 56 Old 12-22-2016, 01:34 PM
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How the horse behaves when being sedated? One very sharp colt (Cassini I x Jalisco B descendant) fought to the very last moment when he was sedated for castration. Prior to the operation he would frequently be rearing if there was something he didn't want to do. Never something I would call an honest horse.

Some more mellow, or not so bright, ones just go straight down.
Sort of...my vet says she can usually tell how big of a dose to give my how they act coming off the trailer.
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post #24 of 56 Old 12-22-2016, 01:44 PM
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I'm not sure. I've been around racehorses and they are usually awful. It's like their handlers aren't even trying to get them to behave. Maybe it's some sort of machismo. Or they genuinely don't notice it, being around horses their whole lives and focusing on performance only. I suppose if it's your livelihood, you most probably don't have time to faff around with a dually halter and to twirl rope at it at. Slap a chain on it and get on with training. Dunno.
My Grandfather was a groom for many years at a large track. He quite enjoyed the work, but he did say that "those horses are incredibly unruly and you need to be on your toes at all times, never turn your back." I believe it too. I've personally never been to the track, so I can't speak from personal experience, but the stories he's told me basically amount to the horses being hard to handle, some nastier than others. I remember him saying there were a number of horses than required 2-3 handlers to lead out. The horses are there to preform on the track, that's it.
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Sort of...my vet says she can usually tell how big of a dose to give my how they act coming off the trailer.
Ah, makes sense.
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My Grandfather was a groom for many years at a large track. He quite enjoyed the work, but he did say that "those horses are incredibly unruly and you need to be on your toes at all times, never turn your back." I believe it too. I've personally never been to the track, so I can't speak from personal experience, but the stories he's told me basically amount to the horses being hard to handle, some nastier than others. I remember him saying there were a number of horses than required 2-3 handlers to lead out. The horses are there to preform on the track, that's it.
High strung horses in a high strung environment. Cannot help but wonder how much more pleasant some of them could be in a different scenery.

I have also encountered many particularly brat (and confused) horses that have been Parelli trained.
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High strung horses in a high strung environment. Cannot help but wonder how much more pleasant some of them could be in a different scenery.

I have also encountered many particularly brat (and confused) horses that have been Parelli trained.
I'll go out on a limb and say that most are much more settled in 'different scenery'. While I haven't been to the track personally, I've been around numerous OTTBs, and I don't think I've ever met one that was 'crazy'. As you said, the track is a high strung environment. Not to say that all TBs at the track are high strung (mine certainly wasn't while she was on the track), some are, some aren't. I think being at the track they have a much greater chance of being this way, but I do not for a second think that they will continue to be unpleasant and high strung once they are off the track. The good majority of OTTBs I've met are fairly level headed and pleasant to work with.

And yes, one of the many reasons I dislike parelli. Not my cup of tea
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It's not just the activity at the track, you're talking about very young horses that are also very fit, being fed tons of grain and kept in a stall. Even an older, trained, normally well behaved horse can get fractious if treated like that. Not sure if you've ever had a fit horse get injured and have to be put on stall rest, but some of my friends have described taking them out for their supposedly gentle and slow walks as trying to fly a kite.
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I remember one notable incident: a jockey (judging by stature, a tiny guy) was leading a rather large boy who decided he had enough, lifted his head, along with the jockey and went for a trot. The guy was so angry, he was literally spitting and occasionally touching ground with his tippy-toes. He never let go, though. The funny part was that he never let go of the beer he had in his other hand either. Not a drop was spilled that day.
Lol! Shouldn't laugh, but this reminds me of an instance when I was on a trail ride with a handful of people. Evening and the sun was going down. We had just crossed a wash and a very good friend of mine on her quarter horse right behind me. The bank gave just enough for her horse to go down and roll. She was awesome! She rolled and came up with her beer in her hand. She lost her glasses and we had a heck of a time finding them at dusk, but by golly that beer made it intact! That silly horse just stood there wondering what all the hullabaloo was about
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I would call those owners, that produce spoiled horses, un informed, misguided, but it is the horses they handle that become spoiled, although a very well mannered horse, can ;spoil a human', who then does not enforce rules as clearly as he would with an obviously disrespectful horse, with that 'well trained horse becoming 'untrained'
Horses are creatures of habit, and they learn bad manners as well as good ones, making no judgement call. It is the human that has to set those boundaries and expectations, fairly, clearly and consistently
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