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post #51 of 56 Old 12-24-2016, 11:43 AM
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My late boss had an Irish Draught hunter, Skipper. A big solid horse that came with few manners. He soon learned and when a friend's son, aged about five wanted to lead him down to the field I had to laugh as the lad was at the end of the rope and the horse kept the rope length back from him. When the child turned around Skip just followed keeping a good didstance between him and the child.

He had impeccable manners and I trusted him with any small child.
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My horse has good manners and is respectful to the point kids or very inexperienced people can handle her safely. However, being boarded for 6+ years at a barn with lots of kids and new-to-horses adults led to a habit that I truly can't stand- she is an insufferable "licker." People who don't know about horses seem to have an instinct to go up to a horse and put their open palm under the horse's nose- and Isabel is always ready to oblige by licking their palm, which people think is just hysterically funny. Mind you, she's not getting a treat. She's just literally licking their hand. She doesn't bite, she doesn't nibble. But she'll stand there licking as long as a person will let her do it. I think it's so irritating!

I thought when we moved to our new barn, where there are no kids and most of the adults are amateur competitors, it would stop. But no! New BO, who can handle giant warmbloods with just "that look," because of the time she's put into manners, also thinks the licking is a hoot and lets Izzy do it too. I guess I've just accepted that she's always going to do it since everyone but me seems to think it's funny.
I do this with my big guy. I love it! I've had friends complain when holding him for farrier that he will lick their coats the whole time and leave them all wet. I think it's hilarious. He never gets treats, so idk where he picked it up.



I'm lucky in that I board at a primarily training stable. There is only 4 borders and the rest of the horses are either owned by my trainer or are there in full training. The only person other than me to handle my guys would be my trainer. My last barn was worst as it was mostly horses owned by young lesson kids, though they never really handed their horses other than to tack up and ride. I got to put ground manner on most of them that were lacking when turning out.

So I'm pretty spoiled when it comes to others' horses. Trainer has a new horse in, I've been helping get him tacked. My horses all pick their feet up with a tap on the leg and hold it. This horse actually required me to lean into him and pull his leg up. The travesty! The horror!

It's not uncommon to have a competitive horse who is a bit of a pig. That part of their personality is what can give them that edge to make them great. My trainer has one of them, but he's not as bad as he could be. If he was kept in a stall, grained, and fit though, he'd be a monster.

I've got my own little guy who can be a monster, but generally stays in line. That's his personality too. Once I tried to keep him on indoor board since he needed to learn to stall. Good skill to have. I had to warn the stable hands about how to open his stall and take him out. He became a complete dragon being kept in. He was a fun ride too. Only lasted about 5 days inside before getting kicked back out.
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post #53 of 56 Old 12-24-2016, 08:15 PM
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I don;t
think any horse should be excused from being a 'pig'no matter how well he rides
Yes, while I keep my horses out, most times, they are stalled enough, so that they accept being stalled at a show.
Nothing like having a horse, work himself up all night,at a show, where he must be stalled, and then expect him to ride well, esp new to the show scene!
Even good minded horses can get upset with too much patting, by everyone that goes by their stall
I used to take horses to the Appaloosa booth at Spruce Meadows, during the Masters, which also featured a trade fair and breeds of the World
After about a day or people coming by, holding kids up to pat one of my horses, the horse would let me know it had enough. The horse did not bite, as knew better, but would stand facing the back wall.
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No, it's not an excuse, but it is indeed common for the competitive horses to be (a bit) more handfuls because of more dominant tendencies. There is this one filly that should be going to her new owner tomorrow and her future is planned to be show jumping and eventing. She has never (yet) been difficult, but daring, and the right amount of dare and incredible amount of courage in her will take her far. I don't think there will never be a day when she would refuse to go over an obstacle, if the rider does right by her.

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Even good minded horses can get upset with too much patting, by everyone that goes by their stall
I know mine definitely would. Can't blame them.

@beverleyy - Right you are. I haven't personally dealt with OTTBs, but I have seen the change in many hot horses after they're away from the more stressful environment, off grain, and have been out in the field.

@gottatrot - Spot on. Flying a kite lol.
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Didn't read all the replies so I don't know what's going on right now, but:

Trouble is a saint with me. With other people he is very testy. Most people who handle him get intimidated by this and let him get his way, so I think he's realized that with me, he's not allowed to do squat, but with others he can walk all over them. It's a hard problem to correct. I got extremely lucky with Trouble. My father (in his younger years) loved starting stud colts. It was his thing. The more rank of a horse he had the better it was. He told me in all his years he's never witnessed a young stallion so quiet. I thought "surely not!" Until I saw a video from forty years ago. We were digging out some old stuff and came across a tape recording. It was my father, fresh out of a cast, jumping on his three year old. That horse was nasty! It was just like a bronco, trying to bite and kick him, etc. By the end of the video they were doing sidepasses and beautiful circles bareback and bridleless. He said back then, that was normal for him, and for young horses. I couldn't imagine Trouble being like that!!
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@ Lorif You’re right, it's not always the owner’s fault. My gelding was a complete gentleman but even he developed bad habits when he was boarded at a DIY yard. He became pushy, searched pockets and licked jackets and hands; it turned out that one of the other owners went along the stables every night feeding each horse a handful of extra strong mints. The owner was offended at being told to stop feeding him as apparently ‘the others didn’t mind theirs being fed and it was only a few mints’. She didn’t seem to realise she was forming a habit.
As it was a DIY yard we all used to help out if the other owners couldn’t make it in, but I used to dread having to deal with certain horses. I would be barged out of the way when I entered one stable, pushed up against walls by another horse who seemed to want to have his weight constantly against you and dragged by another from the stable to the field and vice versa. At first I was wary about disciplining somebody else’s animal but I soon got fed-up and found that a strong voice, sending them to the back of the stable, a rope around the muzzle, an elbow in the chest, a crop and a thump on the nose works wonders to introduce basic manners. It was always a laugh to see the complete look of shock on the horses’ faces when you dared to stand-up to them.
I even remember one owner going to the extreme of putting her mare in foal as her vet had advised that it would help the mare’s manners, when in reality all the horse needed was discipline and an experienced handler.
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