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post #1 of 14 Old 10-01-2017, 08:34 AM Thread Starter
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If a horse show judges says "I think there may be a rock stuck in your horses foot" what would that mean to you? How would that look to the judge? Is the horse limping is it striding differently? Furthermore if you leave the class and look and there is no rock then what? Horse is barefoot too
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Just because barefoot does not mean they can't get a rock embedded in the hoof.......

As for the judge...
I think he/she was giving you the opportunity to get down, check and if your horse was favoring or striding "off" to leave the ring dignified not be D/Q possibly...
Did you remain or leave to check? Did you return or get back on?
Did you place in the class?

I would be looking at this from the judge who does not know your horse or how it travels...
What did they see that made them look twice and question...
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It would mean that the judge thinks the horse is favoring a leg. All sorts of things can cause that, so just because there was no rock doesn't mean the judge was wrong.

We were at a show when the judge said to one of the riders that she wouldn't score her because her horse was slightly lame. I hadn't noticed it, but the owner (the rider's mother, who is very knowledgeable) said he did indeed have a sore leg. They had the vet out and discovered the horse had tied up. They treated him and he's fine now.

Don't be too quick to discount a kowledgeable horse person's observation just because there was no rock.
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Oh no not discounting the judge at all! I was very appreciative. It was my daughter and her horses and to my eye I couldn't see anything off so I was wondering what the judge saw. My daughter said the horse felt off and I could see the horse was shorter strided in the back than normal. She did come out and we did not find any rock but we scratched the rest of the day to be safe. The horse is barefoot and had just been trimmed the day before so I'm wondering if being sore would produce the same movement as having a rock stuck etc
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Oh no not discounting the judge at all! I was very appreciative. It was my daughter and her horses and to my eye I couldn't see anything off so I was wondering what the judge saw. My daughter said the horse felt off and I could see the horse was shorter strided in the back than normal. She did come out and we did not find any rock but we scratched the rest of the day to be safe. The horse is barefoot and had just been trimmed the day before so I'm wondering if being sore would produce the same movement as having a rock stuck etc
Oh I see, that makes its clearer.

Well, I've heard of horses being sore after a trim, but mine never were. Still, I generally don't schedule a trim too close to show day to be safe. What often happens is that when the toes get long, there is less pressure on the frog, but when you take them back, the frog makes more contact with the ground. So that might cause some soreness.

It's good that you and your daughter noticed something was off too! I'd keep checking him over the next few days - just get your daughter to trot him around and watch, maybe even video so you can really isolate the problem. If it goes away, I'd chalk it up to the trim, but if it continues to present, I'd bring the vet in.

You could also mention it to your trimmer next time. Mine has told me many times that if my horses are ever sore after a trim, I should tell her! They never have been though.

Good luck! It's not easy being a show mom sometimes. Hope your daughter wasn't too disappointed.
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Oh no not discounting the judge at all! I was very appreciative. It was my daughter and her horses and to my eye I couldn't see anything off so I was wondering what the judge saw. My daughter said the horse felt off and I could see the horse was shorter strided in the back than normal. She did come out and we did not find any rock but we scratched the rest of the day to be safe. The horse is barefoot and had just been trimmed the day before so I'm wondering if being sore would produce the same movement as having a rock stuck etc
Yes, it could. A new trim could cause a bruise also depending on a few factors.
It's good that you pulled him for the day.
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"He might have a stone stuck in his foot" = your horse is lame.

The judge was giving you the opportunity to check it out and see if it was something like a stone that is temporary. Since that wasn't it, you did the right thing by scratching.
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We'll we rode her this morning and was back to her old self so I'm chalking it up to maybe just a combination of a recent barefoot trim + rocky arena
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I think it was a nice way of saying "You SUCK!" (Just kidding).

I wonder if the horse took a few ouchy steps here and there but not a solid stream of ouchy steps. She probably thought there was something off but since the horse wasn't down right lame she didn't feel like it was enough to send you out of the class.

If a horse is obviously lame a judge will not allow them to show. I actually remember a horse being sent out of a class for lameness and it did turn out it was a rock in the hoof. Once the rock was removed the horse was fine...
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update: so we had a lameness vet evaluate our pony. He did a full exam, palpated everywhere, flexion tests, we trotted in hand, rode under saddle at all three gaits. His comments were 1) it's not nearly as bad as you made it sound on the phone 2) she passed flexion tests perfectly 3) she does favor the right hind leg but very very slightly, no need to xray or anything just yet because it is so minor. 4) pony moved away slightly when the area of the right side just below the si joint moving downward near right side of tail (SI/Pelvic area) was palpated firmly. He feels there may be an issue or pain anywhere from the right stifle up to the si area on the right hind. But still did not seem alarmed or have any sense of urgency in obtaining xrays just yet because like I said in previous post, we can't even see any difference in her gaits at all. She has even been picking up the left lead canter almost every time now, where a few months ago she never picked it up at all. He did say her soles were soft (again not horribly so) and her heels on the hind hooves were very low. I am wondering if these low heels on the back could be causing this right hind issue? Maybe just wishful thinking that if we get the heels under control then we can avoid injections or hopefully it means there isn't something more lingering in that si/pelvis area??

background: got pony in may, no issues at all, both leads there no bad habits....one month later, pony can't get left lead at all, resists going left at all and stop and backs up when asking to go left, tracking right she is perfect, september left lead is back and she gets it about 85% of the time, judge excuses pony from class suspects hind end pain or hoof pain but none of us watching could see anything to our eye, pony had just been trimmed the day before the show and did seem sore when walking on gravel.
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