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post #11 of 22 Old 09-18-2019, 10:30 PM
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I would not be using that fresh ground pine as bedding or anywhere near my barn.
First off there is heat build-up in the piles dumped that can and do self-combust!
FIRE & horses do not mix well.

Second, live trees are full of sap and so shall your horses coat be, let alone her tail and just everything.
Normally, healthy trees are not taken down and ground up...
Diseased trees are or trees that have some kind of bugs...
Those chips are a attractant for bugs, termites and spiders among other nasties..
Now add in the often chance of sharp shards piercing a hoof or body part, wedging between hoof and shoe...and no, wouldn't find them anywhere near my barn or horse.

Buy bagged horse bedding that you know is safe...
It is absorbent where this fresh load of stuff will not be, nor is it going to be easy to clean...
You can not be positive it is only pine in that truck dumped load...
If you ever get the wrong wood and your horse is left standing on it for a short period of time...yes, it takes only about an hour for problems to start, you could have terrible consequences to face.
Please think through your thinking to save a dollar....sometimes the work it can create is not worth the savings.
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I used Fresh shredded pine this spring/summer no issues. Bedded stalls with it was a little hard to clean stalls but not horrible. No problems with peices getting stuck in feet no sap on horse's either. My barn didn't burn down from it. Stuff never heated up.

It was healthy trees that were cut down. Our yard light and some power lines were moved. Trees were in the water so were cut down and shredded up. worked fine for bedding.

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More than likely a buddy will prevent the jumping. Higher fences, maybe, maybe not. Depends on her ability and desire.

A hot pile wont attract the nasties if hot enough. If it's getting that hot then you want it watered and aerated to compost it. Cooler piles will attract all sorts of critters. Slightly warm even more so in cool weather. Depending on how fine the grind you may or may not have problems but fresh is not absorbent. Kiln dried, ground or shaved for that purpose is your best bet and easiest to clean.

As for fires - yes, it is a possibility but it depends on several factors. I still wouldn't keep it close to the barn or living area.

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Lol, pine sap is what makes pine tar, something that was used to give to horses for coughing. Yeah dry the pile out first, but I guarantee you there's nothing wrong with pine, lol. By the way I took a log scaling course so I kind of know the issues with it and I live in the richest area for evergreen trees, we cut our teeth on these things.

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I stand corrected I just asked hubby who works in the forest industry. He says we can only speak for lodgepole and jackpine here, you may have other species which may or may not be irritating. He did say most resin dried is harmless, it's when it's heated up it becomes noxious.

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The company bringing in pine is cutting healthy white pine where power line is, so not...
"Normally, healthy trees are not taken down and ground up..."
Then a load of oak. No walnut or cedar.
I'll re-think using it. If used it would be sparingly anyway. I'll use 99% of it around plant beds, trees and in ditches to rot and fill. They're dumping 1000+ feet from barn.

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Some reading material for you...
Which Type of Horse Shavings Should You Use?
Just about every species of tree has the ability to be taken down to its finest component, sawdust, as well as the slightly larger option, shavings. Does that mean you can use any type of wood for horse shavings? Actually, no, it doesn’t, and some types could be quite dangerous to use. Toxicity should always be a concern when choosing shavings to use for horses. For the most part, companies won’t market shavings for horses if they know that they are not safe, but going with a budget-priced option may not be the best idea, as they may take fewer precautions. Knowing which species to avoid and the benefits of those remaining is necessary for the health of your horse.These wood species are safe to use as horse shavings:
  • Pine – This is the best wood to use for horse shavings, as long as you avoid green pine and the horse shavings are well dried, preferably kiln and air-dried, as well as screened to remove dust, which can cause or aggravate respiratory conditions.
  • Douglas Fir- You and your horse will love the wonderful aroma of Douglas fir shavings. These shavings should also be kiln-dried and dust screened.
  • Spruce- While somewhat harder to find than pine & fir tree shavings, spruce tree shavings are another viable option for your horse.
These wood species should be avoided in horse shavings:
  • Cedar – When you think about wonderful scents in wood, cedar is likely to be the first that comes to mind. However, it can be irritating to some horses. As a side note, because it is so strong, you should never use it for smaller animals.
  • Oak – Some studies that show that the use of oak shavings can lead to various health conditions, such as liver and kidney problems, so it should not be used for horse shavings.
  • Cyprus – This should also be avoided, as it can cause swollen legs and skin irritations in some horses.
  • Black Walnut – Absolutely never use this type of wood for horse shavings, as even a short exposure can have serious health consequences, including fever, irregular pulse, hair loss and laminitis, also known as founder.
  • Maples – Although all maple is toxic to horses, the worst of the bunch is the red maple. The closest a horse should come to a red maple is the one on the Canadian flag.
  • Black Cherry – This type of wood can cause reactions if your horse were to eat it, making it very dangerous.
In short, no hardwoods should ever be used for horses. Pine, Spruce, and Douglas Fir are the only species of shavings that are guaranteed safe for horses. Cedar can be used, but it is not recommended.
from champions shavings company website.

To me, a mixed load of trees cut down nixes the use...
These are not shavings nor small pieces but rough ground chunks, chips and such gone through a commercial chipper not finer ground...
You just don't know what else may be mixed in...
There are truly reasons why animal bedding bought in kiln-dried bags is sold as horse bedding and the companies selling are insured for just that...
Besides the fact I can not imagine trying to clean a stall bedded in this, just can't.

I do remember as a kid a loose load of shavings arriving, dumped and put into stalls at my lesson barn. It wasn't just pine obviously but had oak and some other woods in it that were never supposed to be there...
Bad news and the euthanasia of several horses occurred when the coffin bone rotated and dropped through sole bottom...this still happened with immediate and emergent vet care and doing all humanly possible to stop the effects...and it started within 2 hours of a horse standing in it.
Just no....


Spruce pets also had a good reference list and information about different trees, species and safety for horse use.
https://www.thesprucepets.com/safe-t...asture-1886494
For me, saving a few dollars is just not worth the risk to my animals...
So close though being felled sure is a opportunity knocking...
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I agree with the pine that I'd be concerned about using it. Not that it's pine but how it's ground up, that stuff is sharp and pointy. I know a friends horse who got out ran around for a few minutes then was caught. Somehow in that few minutes she managed to run across the mulch and somehow impale her frog quite aways with a mulch "spear". Skip that!!

As far as the fencing I would honestly be surprised if she was NOT getting out of that! Are you sure she's jumping or is she just going out the spot with no fence (5' drop is nothing to her) typically if there's an easy spot they'll just go that way every time. Rigging up a chain sounds very dangerous, put up a fence either a physical barrier or something electric that she won't mess with. Make sure her whole area has proper fencing, THEN see if she gets out.

And I agree with the buddy.
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Very good and appreciated advice. It's not worth the risk and I'll stay with this, bagged shavings and straw! I'll use this pine as mulch around trees.

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I use the medium flake pine bedding its 5.50$ a bag. I keep just back half of stalls bedded so 1 bag per stall. Front half of stall I keep mats swept clean of bedding.

Usually only add a half a bag per week to stalls. Don't like thickly bedded stalls just enough to soak up pee..thin layer works well.

I did use the fresh shredded pine with no issues earlier this year. Back to bagged bedding now.
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