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post #1 of 54 Old 01-19-2018, 01:54 PM Thread Starter
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Katie passed her vetting!Help with deciding livery?

Katie passed her vetting with flying colours. Not only that but we did a full set of xrays and they too came clean. 3 seasons hunting and not even a hint of sidebone or anything else. She was very patient throughout everything. She's got lovely feet apparently. The vet was impressed by the end of it. I feel incredibly fortunate and definitely lighter in purse.

NOW. I have looked several places regarding livery. I have only managed to find ONE that has the following:

- 4-5 hour turnout in winter in a herd (full turnout or more hours in summer at my discretion). They have 30acres to share between 20 horses but at least they have turnout which is nonexistant for the other AVAILABLE places I inquired. The horses are separated into herds by mares/geldings and further separated to reduce stress or overcrowding when it occurs.

- Three floodlit schools, 2 indoor and equipment.

- Nearby hacking AND a racetrack that can be rented for a gallop as it's not allowed on the local paths

- A trailer that can be rented out

- They train and run their own local competitions but really really local. Nothing fancy y'know. But they do go out and I would be invited as well if I wanted and contributed to fuel.

- A full time instructor


DOWNSIDES

They want Katie for working livery. I'm not sure. I can only get there 3-4 times a week myself, most likely only 3 which is why I'm considering it. To note: they are a livery first and riding school second, barely. They only offer half hour private instruction. There are no groups or hacking lessons with them (which I knew through their website even before inquiring). They would want Katie to work Tues(2)/Thurs(2)/Sat(3)/Sun(3) with a total of 10 lessons spread out at half hour each. That's 5 hours of work. Their weight limit is 13stone (82kg). There would be no jumping unless given my express permission.

Obviously it will be cheaper BUT my trainer and usual instructor reacted VERY strongly when I mentioned it today, particularly because Katie at her 16.2 solid build would be a weight carrier. It has me worried.

What do you think so far? I would want to ride her at least 2 times a week at least an hour each (hopefully including a more exciting hack!). I have to go full livery regardless here as it's the only place with any turnout available at all. Hm.
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I would NOT want to do the working livery. Lesson horse life is HARD and not all horses can cope with it. Particularly if you're a novice/intermediate and the horse is new to you, all the work you put into her has the potential to be "undone" every time a student climbs into the saddle. If your coach had the same reaction, I'd listen to her, assuming her opinion is being shaped by what she knows about the particular school.

Congrats on your new mare though, glad the vetting gave such encouraging results.
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Working livery can work out very well, it keeps her ridden and fit even if you can't get out, and there are usually more problems caused by a horse not being worked enough than being overworked. 182 pounds would be NOTHING to her, she could carry far more than that, especially on the flat, and if the standard of instruction in good then I would give it serious consideration.

I didn't realize that you wouldn't be staying where you were once you bought a horse....shame that you have to move on.
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@Golden Horse and @egrogan I am moving Katie to a different yard as they don't have permanent space here. If they did have space at my riding school I'd 100% trust them with working livery as I see day in and day out how well they care and consider for each horse. They have never heard of the yard I want to go to probably because it's mostly livery and nearly 3 hours motorway drive away from them. They just don't like the idea of working livery with the hours I mentioned or the chance of poor Katie having to carry 15stone + (for several lessons) which in some cases they have witnessed first hand at other schools...

They think that 10 lessons a week is too much and that the fact it's half hour is irrelevant because they are private and would get more done, so to speak.

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@Golden Horse and @egrogan I am moving Katie to a different yard as they don't have permanent space here. If they did have space at my riding school I'd 100% trust them with working livery as I see day in and day out how well they care and consider for each horse. They have never heard of the yard I want to go to probably because it's mostly livery and nearly 3 hours motorway drive away from them. They just don't like the idea of working livery with the hours I mentioned or the chance of poor Katie having to carry 15stone + which in some cases they have witnessed first hand at other schools...

They think that 10 lessons a week is too much and that the fact it's half hour is irrelevant because they are private and would get more done, so to speak.
Always difficult, now the place you are talking about has a wight limit of 13 stone, so why would you worry about 15 stone, it might happen in other places, but not there maybe. 'Poor Katie' could hunt all day with 15 stone on her, she is a weight carrier after all, BUT now she is your weight carrier and welcome to the world of making decisions...

The fact that your current people have never heard of the yard you are thinking of means that at least there is nothing really horrible out there, bad places usually get a reputation that those in the know would hear about.

It is hard to advise you, what are the other options that you have looked into, usually choosing where to keep a horse involves some degree of compromise, you have to decide what YOU are comfortable with.
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I worked at a UK BHS yard where we had a lot of working livery's and everything was done very much to the rule book as far as the owner being able to specify what level of rider could be put on their horse and how many hours max. the horse would work a week so if the yard is willing to work with you on that and they've got a good reputation then it might be the best thing for you if you can't get to ride her as often as you'd like.
5 hours a week in a lesson program is nothing for a fit sound horse, the majority of the half hour lesson is going to be walking and trotting with a bit of canter work thrown in. If she hunted she'd have been doing a full days trotting on roads, cantering in deep ground conditions and jumping and as its not affected her soundness she can easily cope with light lesson work
Her breed type tend to pile weight on really easily so the work will be good for her
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Katie passed her vetting with flying colours. Not only that but we did a full set of xrays and they too came clean.

DOWNSIDES

They want Katie for working livery. I'm not sure. I can only get there 3-4 times a week myself, most likely only 3 which is why I'm considering it. .

Congratulations on purchasing Katie and a clean vetting!!

As for having Katie used in their working livery....
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

You currently have a super nice horse with no issues, no problems.
Put her to a livery line you know nothing about, not able to see her every single day...
NO WAY NO HOW, no chance in **** I would do that to my horse...
My new horse...just NO.

I guess you got my opinion on this...
No, just no.
Truthfully, I would rather put her on stall board with no turnout or put her in a field heavily blanketed and get on lists for other facilities that offer stall and turnout as you wanted...openings happen.
To put her on a string in a unknown livery...
Katie deserves better...your trainer is right!
You deserve better...too.
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Haha @horselovinguy and @jaydee this seems so very hard. I would like you to know that I have refused working livery and gone for merely full livery. I will only get to see Katie 3-4 times a week. I won't always be riding her when I do visit and some of it will be going for walks or just chilling out in the school getting to know one another to begin with. I don't even have any tack for her yet lol.

Katie will be moved to her new home hopefully this coming Tuesday.

So far I've been told I'm a nutcase and have bought:

- head collar + leadrope

- 5 rugs. (is this normal? :S) fleece rug, 200g turnout, 300g turnout, 200g stable x2. They all have necks as she's currently fully clipped from her hard life as a Hunter! I also bought a 200g standard turnout for when everything grows back.

- 6" fulmer french link snaffle as that is what the trainer rode her in and is apparently a more forgiving bit to begin with and full bridle + reins

- grooming kit essentials etc

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Need to still sort:

- insurance
- saddler visit
- farrier visit
- vaccinations (the vet said she needed a chance to settle as she was likely immunocompromised due to stress)
- vet registration with livery


It's been a very expensive week let's just say that.
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I want to add that the reality of my dream coming true hasn't hit. I've ordered things but it still hasn't fully dawned that I'm a horse owner. I'm in shock. Someone send me a stiff drink!

And thank you so much for your opinions and critique. It is helping immensely. I'm sure I'll pest you're brains more in the coming weeks ;) <3
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Truthfully, I would rather put her on stall board with no turnout


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And that sounds like a recipe for disaster to me!

WHY is the horse going to be ruined by being ridden in a program, with instructors present? How do we know that her riders would not in fact benefit her, and be at a higher level than her novice owner? Answer, we don't...

Different views on life, when I had Gibbs he was on working livery for a while, and so many adult beginners came to love him, nearly as much as I did, and he got the exercise he needed, so I could get the best out of him when I rode. Fergie though I would not put on working livery, if I need more rides on her I pay for the trainer to ride her.

Without knowing anything about the situation I would not dismiss it out of hand, but I would be very very careful in my research. I still would liek to hear what other options the OP has.
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