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post #1 of 6 Old 04-24-2017, 09:55 PM Thread Starter
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We're looking at leasing a young horse (5 yrs) with no show record for my daughter that a former trainer found for us. Our current trainer wants to ask for a commission if/when the horse is sold. Is this normal? Because the horse has never been to a show I'm guessing that the trainer feels like they need to ride it from time to time and at the first show to make sure the horse is safe.
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I'm a little confused. Are you buying this horse or leasing, or lease-to-buy? Does the trainer want money (commission) for helping you find the horse, or money when they ride the horse for training sessions/at shows?

In either situation, it is completely normal for a trainer to require compensation for either finding the horse/going to view it with you, as well as payment for rides and/or training sessions.
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My way of thinking is that the trainer would only be entitled to a commission if they found a buyer for the horse or if they had put in work for free in schooling it.

If they charge for schooling it then they are paid to do a job of work and not entitled to a commission although, if I were the seller I would probably give them a 'drink' if it sold well.

If you were to purchase the horse then it is up to the owner to pay any commission and not the buyer. However, if the trainer spent time looking at several horses for you I would expect them to be paid for their time not a commission.

I have bought several horses for clients. Generally they left me to to the dealing. My agreement with them would be that whatever money I saved them would be split 50/50 so, of a horse was 10,000 and o got it for 9.000 I would get 500.

You could liken it to a car.
You buy an old car, take it to a mechanic for restoration, they do a good job and you sell it. The mechanic is not entitled to a commission for his work.
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We're looking at leasing a young horse (5 yrs) with no show record for my daughter that a former trainer found for us. Our current trainer wants to ask for a commission if/when the horse is sold. Is this normal? Because the horse has never been to a show I'm guessing that the trainer feels like they need to ride it from time to time and at the first show to make sure the horse is safe.
I have to say, "Depends". If you're saying they want a commission for finding the lease, that's between them and the lessor. If you're saying they want a commission, IF YOU BUY THE HORSE at the end of the lease, again between them and the seller. If you're saying they want a commission if you buy the horse, have them consign or act as your selling agent when you want to sell, then that's totally normal.

Training and showing have nothing to do with the sale of the horse, other than it makes the horse more sellable. Since the horse has not been shown, but sounds like it's been trained to the level you're looking for? I'm guessing you'll want to keep it in full board and training to keep it competitive, so yes the trainer will need to ride the horse.

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Because the horse has never been to a show I'm guessing that the trainer feels like they need to ride it from time to time and at the first show to make sure the horse is safe.
Because the horse is young/quite possibly green or little trained, I would only be leasing/buying for your daughter if she is already a quite competent rider and has a good understanding of training. Because the horse has not been shown doesn't make it 'safe' or 'unsafe', or say anything at all about it's training. Because the trainer may ride it from time to time, or ride at the first show it goes to, won't make it 'safe'.
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We're looking at leasing a young horse (5 yrs) with no show record for my daughter that a former trainer found for us. Our current trainer wants to ask for a commission if/when the horse is sold. Is this normal? Because the horse has never been to a show I'm guessing that the trainer feels like they need to ride it from time to time and at the first show to make sure the horse is safe.
. Right now your former trainer is involved in the purchase or lease so that is the trainer that deserves a fee or commission. What happens when you sell is worked out when the horse is put up for sale. Do not promise a commission now since commissions are usually a percentage of the sales price and you can't predict the sales price now.

A pro riding your horse is usually charged by the ride, unless you are paying training board or have a package deal worked out if you do not board with your trainer.
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