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post #1 of 37 Old 11-06-2014, 10:37 PM Thread Starter
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Leasing horse, owner won't back off.

I just signed a year long lease on a really great dressage mare. She is perfect for me. Experienced, beautiful mover, quiet. She is great on the trails. I love her. Her owner wanted another horse, which she bought, to advance her own work, but she also wanted someone else to pay the expensive boarding costs and vet costs of the horse I am leasing. I am completely responsible, and great with the mare. I am prompt with payment for the board and anything the horse needs. It's been a week into the lease and the owner is calling me, emailing me, changing her lesson times to be at the barn the same time I am. She wants me to write down every time I ride the horse on a calendar. She called me to ask if I would take her horse to an expensive clinic and she could be there "to help me". What I want is my space! I already have 2 lessons a week with an amazing (and expensive) trainer and ride the horse twice a week besides lessons! I want her to back off and leave me alone. This is the first time she has leased one of her horses and I understand she is anxious, but she is out of bounds. Any relative experiences and suggestions? Thanks!
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post #2 of 37 Old 11-06-2014, 10:44 PM
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I'd just tell her you appreciate her help and how involved she is but your goals are not the same. Tell her you would love to go to the clinic but can't afford it (I got into a clinic free that way..) Just be honest. Say you are riding her regularly (I don't see the harm of writing it down for her) and that this is your escape and while you appreciate her help this isn't a focus the way it is for her and you are a more casual rider and don't want to overextend yourself (esp financially) and lose your enjoyment.
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post #3 of 37 Old 11-06-2014, 10:55 PM
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It's only been a week, I wouldn't be surprised if things settled after a month or so. Writing down the times you ride doesn't seem like a bad idea anyway, if I were the owner I would like to know how often she was actually getting worked as well.
Everybody thinks they know best when it comes to horses, so even though you think your completely responsible and great with the mare the owner might have a different opinion- or at the very least want it confirmed to her. I'd feel worse about leasing from an owner that was completely uninterested in the goings-on with their horses verses one that is a bit overbearing.

I'd give it a month and see if it calms down, acquiescing for the most part but not letting myself get bullied into spending more money or time than I wanted to invest. If it's not working out by then, you have three options: deal with it for the remainder of the lease, confront the leaser about it in a calm and respectful manner, or cancel the lease.

I think it's also worth mentioning that if I were leasing out my boy, to find out the leasee had dissed me online and said I should 'back off' concerning the care of my charge, who is reportedly all that and a side of fries, I would be livid.

Hope it works out for you- good luck! <3
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post #4 of 37 Old 11-06-2014, 11:01 PM
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If she owns the horse then she has every right to want to be there when you are, track your riding days or "be there to help" in your clinics. She is entrusting what I assume is a very expensive animal in to the hands of a stranger. I'd be ****ed if someone who is leasing my horse told me to step off. I'd ask them to step right off the property.
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post #5 of 37 Old 11-06-2014, 11:40 PM
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^^Yup, agree with SlideStop. Nice dressage horses aren't cheap and I'm certain the owner is only trying to protect her investment in the mare. Most people don't realize how quickly intricate training can be undone...and how expensive and time consuming it can be to get the horse fixed. Sometimes they cannot be fixed to the level they were before.

And, since this is still her horse and you are only leasing, then she gets to call the shots. You can either wait a while and see if things change or you can talk to her about getting out of the lease.

Unfortunately, this is one of the difficult things about being a new horse owner. Everyone says that leasing is the way to start, but at the same time, it can be hard to find a leaser that you can agree with. If you are wanting a horse that you can go your own way with, you'll likely have to find a more lenient leaser or buy your own horse.
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post #6 of 37 Old 11-07-2014, 12:12 AM
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What are the conditions of the lease, was all of this put down on paper? Like someone else said it is early days so hopefully things will settle down after some more time has passed.
I know every lease is different and I do agree in the most part with what others have said but if she didn't make you aware of all of these conditions when you arranged the lease then I do think she is being a little over-bearing.
If the conditions are simply that you are responsible for all of the horses upkeep etc then to be honest I don't see why you have to note down every time you ride OR pay to further the horses training at a clinic.
She is benefiting from being able to afford two horses, your money is making that possible so I think she does need to step back a little if it continues like this.
As long as the horses needs are being met and she is kept up to date on any issues then that should be it. Hopefully once she sees that you are providing everything the horse needs (without any added extras that she expects you to pay for!) things will calm down.
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post #7 of 37 Old 11-07-2014, 01:30 AM
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I will probably end up leasing out my horse eventually. With my career I don't expect to be around all the time. However, they would have to be one very special leasee! My horse is my baby. I don't want all the work I've put into her being undone. I would probably insist that they have weekly or biweekly lessons with my trainer, and it certainly would be in the contract. They would also have to be open and willing to exercise my horse in all the ways that I do, liberty being the big one. I can see my horse being soured very quickly if all she did was jumping training.

As smrobs said, a very well trained horse isn't cheap. It takes many many years of training to make a good dressage horse, and very little time to undo it. The owner is protecting her investment and her horse. She's probably putting you through a trial period (I know I would!). Try to understand, I'm sure if you were in her shoes you would do the same (maybe not quite to that extent but you would be involved for sure). However, as others said, don't let yourself be pushed into extra expenses, that would not be fair. But on the other hand, if she is paying for it, why not go to the clinic? Everything is experience, good or bad! At the very least, you'll learn what not to do. At the most, you'll have a fantastic time and come out a better rider than before.

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post #8 of 37 Old 11-07-2014, 01:35 AM
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To add another perspective, if you are new to horses (I'm going to assume so since you posted in this section) then you must be pretty great for someone to still want you to lease their well-trained dressage horse. She probably likes you a lot and feels that you are responsible. However, since you aren't as experienced with horses she is being hands-on to make sure that you have support and succeed with the mare. It sounds like she really cares and wants to be involved in the transition for you and the horse instead of just handing her off and disappearing. This is a good thing!

But yes, there is no such thing as "out of bounds" for the horse's owner. It is her animal, after all, and she wants what is best for her. Obviously she feels that you are part of that or she wouldn't have leased her to you. Trust me, having an involved and concerned owner is MUCH better than having one that you can't get a hold of/wants nothing to do with you or the horse, or one that does not care about any issues you have.

I am sure that once you and the horse have gotten acquainted and are working well together she will want to focus her attention on her new horse.
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post #9 of 37 Old 11-07-2014, 01:37 AM
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I think you could indulge her for a bit, until she really KNOWS that you know what you are doing. though, she must have had some knowledge of your riding level and skills when she leased out the mare.

as for the clinic, tell her you'll go if she pays. if it's training put on HER horse, she should at the least pay half.

I lease a horse, rather, part-lease. the owner is very happy that I ride as much as I can . she loves that her horse is exercized and looked after. she knows that I will not mistreat him and I know what I'm doing and all. There are so many people out there looking to part lease who are ones that I would be afraid of , if I were leasing out my own horse. they allow bad behavior to grow, or they run the horse too much, or don't look for loose shoes, or pay attention for any sign of offness or colic, or you name it. a good leasor is a very hard thing to find, and an owner who finds one, should realize how and appreciate how lucky they are . (and, of course, vice versa)
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post #10 of 37 Old 11-07-2014, 08:45 AM
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I would say you need to re - evaluate your lease. My leases are very strict and spelled out. My contract says when and who your lessons are with, what days and times you ride, what events you will attend and other events that you may attend if you want. I must approve all tack/gear down to your shampoo etc etc. My leases are on farm and all inclusive with care, so I handle all care expenses ( vet, farrier, dentist, etc) and the leasee handles all lessons/show expenses.
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