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post #11 of 37 Old 11-07-2014, 11:21 AM
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Depends on the terms and intent of your lease. If the lease is a full lease for which you are completely responsible for the horse (which it sounds like), then she should back off. If she wanted more control over your mangement of the horse and that is not in the lease, she should have put it in the lease. If it is not in the lease and the intent was for a full lease, then she needs to back off.

If it were me, I'd question whether she actually wants to lease the horse out. I can understand wanting to OK trainers, farriers, vets, but if that is not spelled out in the lease & it is a full lease, she has relinquished control over the horse. Again, if it were me, I'd approach her and ask if she really wanted to lease the horse out. If so, I'd gently ask her to back off. If not, then I'd offer to terminate the lease. Or if I was OK with the level of control she wanted to exert, I'd suggest modifying the lease, but that would mean a rate cut for me. I would not pay full freight for less than full control.
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post #12 of 37 Old 11-07-2014, 12:28 PM
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There are two issues at hand here:

1. The legal aspects
2. The relationship aspects

Does she have a legal right to ask you to do all these things? Depends on what your contract says. Those are easy yes or no answers.

But even with me being a lawyer, I'd tell you to just focus on the relationship. Everything will be better and more fun for everyone involved and therefore less stressful, if you do what you can to ease the owner's mind about her baby.

Let her know how often and in what way you're working out the horse. Express interest in a clinic if she wants to pay for you to go. Show her that you are someone she can trust to keep her updated and to care for her horse more than just as a tool to use for your goals. Then the next time you want to lease or when a great horse comes up for sale, you'll have her in your corner.

Fail to do these things and you risk having a very stressful relationship that will spill over into your time with the horse, robbing you of a great riding experience.

Legally can she require these things? Probably not. Should you do most of them anyway? Yes, if you can.

Of course if her requests get out of hand, then you can and should gently let her know that you just don't have time for it. But hopefully if you're polite and accommodating otherwise, she'll understand.

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post #13 of 37 Old 11-07-2014, 12:46 PM
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I see it from both sides. I leased earlier this year, and had a lot of freedom - I kept the owner up to date on any issues but was otherwise left alone to do my thing.

But after buying my own horse just 3 weeks ago, I'd be way cautious if I ever leased him out! I'd definitely keep a close eye on the situation until I discovered if the leasee could be trusted, however long that took. And then I'd still check up on them from time to time.
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post #14 of 37 Old 11-07-2014, 01:12 PM
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Give her time to feel confident in you and your ability to look after the horse properly. Put yourself in her shoes - she loves the horse, she also still has money invested in it so she wants to know things are going the way she expects them too
We loaned a much loved pony out once to someone who should have been ideal for him but we got that very wrong and had to take him back in a very poor state because we made the mistake of trusting too much
Now I'm not saying you're going to neglect this horse - you're likely going to be wonderful but the owner need to have time to figure that out.
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post #15 of 37 Old 11-07-2014, 09:46 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you all so much for your thoughts on this! It's all an education, isn't it? I have no doubt that the owner will relax in time when she sees that I am taking as great care of her horse as I do with my own and as I did with another horse that I leased before. I want her to be happy and more importantly I want to develop a fantastic relationship with this great horse. This is my first real post on this forum even though I"ve been a member for a while--maybe I shouldn't have chosen the new to horses category. In any case, everyone's passion for horses shines through and I love that, so thanks again for answering! I have much food for thought.
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post #16 of 37 Old 11-09-2014, 08:40 PM
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I just signed a year long lease on a really great dressage mare. She is perfect for me. Experienced, beautiful mover, quiet. She is great on the trails. I love her. Her owner wanted another horse, which she bought, to advance her own work, but she also wanted someone else to pay the expensive boarding costs and vet costs of the horse I am leasing. I am completely responsible, and great with the mare. I am prompt with payment for the board and anything the horse needs. It's been a week into the lease and the owner is calling me, emailing me, changing her lesson times to be at the barn the same time I am. She wants me to write down every time I ride the horse on a calendar. She called me to ask if I would take her horse to an expensive clinic and she could be there "to help me". What I want is my space! I already have 2 lessons a week with an amazing (and expensive) trainer and ride the horse twice a week besides lessons! I want her to back off and leave me alone. This is the first time she has leased one of her horses and I understand she is anxious, but she is out of bounds. Any relative experiences and suggestions? Thanks!
Politely say that you are leasing her horse, and paying for things at your own expense. Say you have your own times at the barn and the lessons. Don't say anything else. You don't want her to get mad, it won't help you, in the long run. It sounds like she has not cut the apron strings. Or, you could decide to make a sale offer, if this is really the horse for you.

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post #17 of 37 Old 11-09-2014, 08:47 PM
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Ryder-all due respect, but "cut the apron strings?" The owner is the owner. Period. She is the one who is ultimately responsible for this horse. It is her responsibility to make sure that the horse is well cared for, etc. I would also tell you all horses are NOT for sale. Reasons vary, but some we will just never sell.

I have one I free lease to a therapeutic facility. There have had him 3+ years, and I am grateful it is working out for both of us. I go see him when I want, which is not as often as I would like, and make sure he has blankets, supplements, etc. But-should they decide he is no longer working out-he is still MY horse, MY responsibility and will come home to live out his days with us. He will NEVER be sold. Other horses, maybe, but not this one. He is a family member.

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post #18 of 37 Old 11-09-2014, 09:15 PM
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I don't think the owner is being too protective at all.it's her horse and she has the right to know what you ate doing with it. If you want to have total freedom, you need to buy your own horse.
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post #19 of 37 Old 11-10-2014, 09:01 AM
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I said cut the apron strings because I believe the owner would never have actually leased it to the girl if she didn't trust her on some level. I used riding leases when I was a young lady, and they were on farm, but I didn't pay the bills for the horse I rode, and I didn't have to pay for his training, or anything else. So, actually, this new lady is his mom, lease or no. It's all a contractual issue, but it's my opinion, she should let the girl get on with her riding life. Now, I can see you will fight with me over this, so, let's just agree to disagree.
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post #20 of 37 Old 11-11-2014, 07:50 AM
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I can see both sides... if this is the first time the owner has leased out a horse, especially one that clearly has had a great deal of training, im sure she is nervous. There are 'lease' horses that are more 'school' horses, - this one sounds like much more than that. Possibly the owner wanted the horse's skills kept up, etc so it is beneficial to both owner and rider ( as well as the horse ). It almost sounds like the owner is looking at it like people who own the top of the line ( Rolex ) type horses... the owner owns it, but the rider shows it "for" the owner. And therefor the owner gets to dictate how /when/ where the horse is ridden.
Personally I would never lease out a horse - thats just me! And several people I know who did, briefly, seemed to look for reasons to terminate the lease- just a case of reverse Buyers Remorse... maybe the owner is having second thoughts...
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