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post #21 of 37 Old 11-13-2014, 08:32 PM
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I can see both sides... if this is the first time the owner has leased out a horse, especially one that clearly has had a great deal of training, im sure she is nervous. There are 'lease' horses that are more 'school' horses, - this one sounds like much more than that. Possibly the owner wanted the horse's skills kept up, etc so it is beneficial to both owner and rider ( as well as the horse ). It almost sounds like the owner is looking at it like people who own the top of the line ( Rolex ) type horses... the owner owns it, but the rider shows it "for" the owner. And therefor the owner gets to dictate how /when/ where the horse is ridden.
Personally I would never lease out a horse - thats just me! And several people I know who did, briefly, seemed to look for reasons to terminate the lease- just a case of reverse Buyers Remorse... maybe the owner is having second thoughts...
I think the rider being a show rider for the owner, which is kind of what you are saying, typically might not involve such payment. The girls who rode the horses at the stable where I grew up for the owner, usually had their own horses. They didn't pay him anything. He used their rides to sell off the great jumpers, sometimes to the girls. Horses at his stable in the 70's and early 80's used to go for as much as 45 k.
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post #22 of 37 Old 11-13-2014, 08:55 PM
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are you doing a full lease or part lease? does she still have the rights in the lease to dictate the horses care ? Go look at your lease carefully. If there are clauses that give her these rights you either have to try to break the lease, have her break the lease or you stuck at her whims.

If there is nothing in there , then tell her No. Why does she have to be there when you ride ?
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post #23 of 37 Old 11-14-2014, 12:54 AM
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I can see both sides here. You paid your fees to be able to ride with more freedom than just a lesson horse BUT she is probably insecure about letting go. Now that I have my own horse, I would love to have someone to exercise him but I can see how easily someone could screw him up as well. It is a two way street. I think her protectiveness is a clear indication that she knows this is good horse and she needs to keep it that way- you should be lucky.

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post #24 of 37 Old 11-15-2014, 10:41 AM
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Only read the first page of replies.

I agree with other posters the this is still the owner's horse. I get it can be annoying having someone breath down your neck while leasing, but with a fancy dressage horse I'd be quite worried if the owner wasn't breathing down your neck about things.

I own a nice hunter/eq mare. Right now she's doing A/AA circuit at the 3'3"-3'6" levels. She has potential to move up a fair amount from there as well. She is on lease for 10 months while I am in school and will come home August or September of 2015. The lease is a free lease off property 3-4 hours away. My other mare is still with me, I just simply didn't have time for two while in school. I have part-leased out said mare before (on property, 2-3 days per week). I spell out my contracts VERY thoroughly - like BugZapper I need to approve absolutely anything used on her. Both my mares are my babies, but I am especially picky with a mare at this current level - she has way too much potential to be wasted and/or ruined. I cover all her expenses while part-leased on property and the leaser is to pay a portion of the board to myself, as well as lesson/show/clinic fees. While she is being free leased off property currently they cover all her expenses, minus any serious non-routine vet care (obviously this is spelled out much more in detail in contract regarding who pays how much and in what cases in regards to such events as colic, needing stitches, yadda yadda).

Bottom line - it's HER horse. And by the sounds of it one she has a fair amount of time/money invested in. I can see where she's coming from.
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post #25 of 37 Old 11-15-2014, 10:48 AM
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I think the rider being a show rider for the owner, which is kind of what you are saying, typically might not involve such payment. The girls who rode the horses at the stable where I grew up for the owner, usually had their own horses. They didn't pay him anything. He used their rides to sell off the great jumpers, sometimes to the girls. Horses at his stable in the 70's and early 80's used to go for as much as 45 k.
ehh, sometimes it can involve payment. Depends on a few things of course.

My mare (above post), while currently free leased for show purposes while I am in school, has been part leased on property before - this involves payments. Also what I have done in the past (and will likely do the same once she is home, unless I breed at that point) is have a rider experienced in showing that level (preferably above that level) "lease" her. Basically they come ride her, usually unintentionally supervised as I am nearly always in the barn, they show her and take her to clinics. No money is exchanged, but rider gets to ride and show a horse they'd likely not be able to afford the fees of, and I get my mare shown by a rider who knows their stuff since I lack time to be consistently showing at that level. Sometimes rider pays show/clinic fees, sometimes I pay, sometimes we split it. Now IF money is exchanged in the form of a proper lease, I never pay their entry to shows/clinics/etc.
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I know if I had to lease my horse out I would absolutely want to make sure she was getting the absolute best of care. While you may be doing everything right remember that that is her baby-a very expensive baby that she is trusting you with. I know if I had leased out my horse I probably might have shown up "conveniently" when the person I leased her to was riding as well. Not all the time but I would absolutely want to make sure my horse was being ridden well and being taken care of properly. I agree with other posters to just give her time and see if she calms down a little bit but if not take it up with her but I know if my leaser came to me and asked me to "back off" or not to come to the barn when she is riding I would no doubt be a little suspicious and might reconsider leasing her to someone I would consider more trustworthy. Just my humble opinion though!
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There are many great horses out there. Check the particulars of your lease, and end it as quickly as possible and leave her in the lurch. She obviously can't afford both horses and thinks that she can live beyond her means. You are not financially responsible for her horse and her whims.
Start your search NOW for a new horse to lease and an owner who behaves like an adult.
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There are many great horses out there. Check the particulars of your lease, and end it as quickly as possible and leave her in the lurch. She obviously can't afford both horses and thinks that she can live beyond her means. You are not financially responsible for her horse and her whims.
Start your search NOW for a new horse to lease and an owner who behaves like an adult.

I don't see how she "obviously" can't afford both horses, how could you know that? I lease out one if my horses and yes it can be scary. Also, the op said this was the first week of the lease, not half way in. The owner is totally allowed to want to know what's going on, especially at first!
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post #29 of 37 Old 11-22-2014, 07:49 PM
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If I ever lease Jackson out (soundness pending, and dependent on how long I live away from home for University) the first few weeks of the lease will be very strict. I'll want to know how the leassor riding, what they're up to, how often he's being ridden, how often he's being checked / groomed / etc. how a person treats your horse in the first few weeks is a pretty good indication of how they'll continue to treat your horse. It definitely isn't grounds to 'leave her in the lurch'.

If someone feels entitled to do whatever they please and have no strings attached they should purchase their own horse and not bother with leasing at all.
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post #30 of 37 Old 11-28-2014, 10:41 AM
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There are many great horses out there. Check the particulars of your lease, and end it as quickly as possible and leave her in the lurch. She obviously can't afford both horses and thinks that she can live beyond her means. You are not financially responsible for her horse and her whims.
Start your search NOW for a new horse to lease and an owner who behaves like an adult.
Maybe I missed something, but where are you getting that she cannot afford both horses?

I am currently leasing one of mine out. I have easily afforded both for a number of years (had another at one point as well). Now I am in school full time and one mare has WAY too much potential to sit for the next 9 months. That in no way means I cannot afford 2 or even 3 horses, just that I am in school and lack the time to show her regularly on the A/AA circuits.

I am positive I am not the only one in this or a similar situation
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