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post #1 of 12 Old 04-30-2015, 07:10 PM Thread Starter
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Hi, I didn't know what category this would go under so I put it here. When I got my mare she didn't have registration papers and it didn't bother me at the time, but now I'm getting into showing and I wanted to show foundation. I know she was registered at one time and had papers but her old owners wouldn't give them up. What should I do?
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post #2 of 12 Old 04-30-2015, 07:17 PM
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If you can somehow contact the old owners and explain the situation you might have a very very very small chance of getting them. If you know her registered name and/or her parent's registered names, you may be able to get her DNA tested (providing there is DNA on file) and have the certificate reissued under your name, at least that's how it works with the AQHA. Beyond that there is nothing you can really do besides get another horse with papers.
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post #3 of 12 Old 04-30-2015, 07:34 PM
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Maybe they lied to you about her being registered. Lots of that goes on and after the sale the papers aren't available for one excuse or another. Do you at least have a bill of sale?



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post #4 of 12 Old 04-30-2015, 07:41 PM Thread Starter
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The girl I bought her from tried to get the papers back but they wouldn't give them up. We know her Sire's name and who he belonged to but that's about all we know.
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post #5 of 12 Old 04-30-2015, 07:59 PM
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If you have the sire's name the breed registry might be able to help you, depending which one it is. But you would have to contact them to find out what the chances are. I'd say, from experience, that the chances are pretty slim, but you can still try. Sorry. I know that's probably not what you want to hear.
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post #6 of 12 Old 04-30-2015, 08:05 PM
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Not a horse expert but I know with the sheep I will specifically withhold papers if sold as a non breeding animal (and they would get the price reduction for that) and that is entirely my prerogative and it would be a pain if someone said "oh by the way" as I would expect them to pay the full price. They also would have NO way of getting them if I did not want to give it to them and I would be pretty annoyed if I specifically sold them for cheap without papers then they got them.

That said it is obviously different for a horse, papers for a sheep have no value beyond breeding and I would be curious as to WHY the owners are withholding them. I think them lying may be the explanation.

You could always contact the stallion owner and see if they can give you the info but if they didn't want to give them up then why would they now?
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post #7 of 12 Old 04-30-2015, 09:32 PM
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Unfortunately, what others say is generally the case.

Registration generally belongs to the owner, not the horse, and if it was not sold with it then in most respects its an unregistered horse.

If it was never registered and you could get breeding certificates that could maybe work but thats not really the case. Best bet is to contact the people holding the registration and offer to buy it off them. You might even need to cover costs to get replacements certificates etc if they are lost.
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post #8 of 12 Old 04-30-2015, 10:36 PM
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From what I was told by the AQHA when I was searching (unsuccessfully) for the papers for one of my geldings, if you have the horse's registered name or the registered names of their parents, they can do DNA tests and if it is confirmed and they can match the horse's markings to the papers in their database they will reissue the registration in your name provided you can produce a bill of sale. Unfortunately in my case I knew the breed and that's it. I was however, able to register him with the two buckskin registries so at least he has something.

Depending what color your horse is, maybe you could find a color registry to register under and show with.
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post #9 of 12 Old 05-01-2015, 05:24 AM
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At least in the AQHA and APHA, the rule books state that the seller must transfer the papers to the buyer. Unless the owner of record claims there is a legal dispute as to ownership (which is a civil matter), the AQHA/APHA will assist you in getting the papers or reissue them in your name if you have proof of ownership (e.g. a bill of sale).
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post #10 of 12 Old 05-01-2015, 05:11 PM
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At least in the AQHA and APHA, the rule books state that the seller must transfer the papers to the buyer. Unless the owner of record claims there is a legal dispute as to ownership (which is a civil matter), the AQHA/APHA will assist you in getting the papers or reissue them in your name if you have proof of ownership (e.g. a bill of sale).
I did not know this and it may come in very useful for the OP!
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