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post #21 of 44 Old 07-06-2014, 08:09 AM
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Definitely don't get a stallion. I don't know where you live but in the US it's illegal to own a stallion if you are under 18.
And where do you get THAT information? I live in the US, have for 66 years, and never heard of THAT one.
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post #22 of 44 Old 07-06-2014, 08:24 AM
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I find geldings are just all round generally best for beginners. Easier, more stable. Saying that, I prefer mares. A stallion would not be suitable.
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^You haven't been smoking the right legal books Squirrel!!
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post #24 of 44 Old 07-06-2014, 12:20 PM
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Definitely don't get a stallion. I don't know where you live but in the US it's illegal to own a stallion if you are under 18.
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It may be against the rules of certain associations to show or perhaps in some areas to handle/drive/ride in public but not to own, at least not as a blanket law for all of the U.S.
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post #25 of 44 Old 07-06-2014, 12:22 PM
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I prefer geldings but I have saw some very good mares which I wouldn't mind owning if it wasn't for the fact that Vegas got so darn love struck on my friends mares when they stayed there for a week while I was getting a shed built. He wouldn't eat unless they were in eye sight and close to him. Had to have a come to jesus meeting with him before I brought him home.

My brother has a mare that is the most relaxed saddlebred I have ever rode, even during her heat cycle. I keep telling him that I'm going to take her away from him in a few months. You can leave her untouched for months and she acts like she was just rode yesterday. I love this horse.

All horses has their moments. They get moody just like we do sometimes. Just find one that works for you and don't worry about whether it's a mare or gelding.
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post #26 of 44 Old 07-06-2014, 12:46 PM
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Geldings are considered less moody than mares by most folks. The odd mare when she is in heat can be moody. The 3 mares I've had over the years have not been any different when in heat. Where sex of the horse comes in to play, in my mind, is where you are keeping them and where you are riding them. If I was getting a horse to keep pastured with a gelding and a mare, then I would ideally prefer a mare. I have seen two geldings continually beat each other up over a mare they are pastured with. It comes down to individual horses as lots of times I've seen that combo work out fine, but there have been a few instances where it isn't a good combo. A lot of folks I know here in Alberta won't buy a mare as they ride a lot out west where there is wild horses. Take geldings out west and no problems. But take a mare, and especially when she is in heat, and there can be big problems with the wild studs. It's amazing how bad a stud can beat up a horse, and if they do manage to run off the mare it can be months before you can get your mare back, if ever. I've personally never had a problem out west as I've always taken geldings with the exception of one time I took a mare that was pregnant. Guess what a stud did come around the corrals for a few nights, and eventually just left us along after getting run off. If she had been in heat I don't know what would of happened. Right now I own both sexes and both are great.
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I found this thread about what we are talking about
https://www.horseforum.com/horse-law/laws-regarding-showing-handling-stallion-54197/
I guess it must've just been because I show in USEF rated shows? Ya learn something new every day!
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Posted this, not sure if people saw it. I googled it and asked my trainer and she said that USEF rated shows don't allow you to ride a stallion as a minor (which is why I was never allowed to lesson on them) and no barns in my area allow you to ride or own a stallion if you are a minor.
(I understand that "technically" it's your parents horse if you're a minor because you cannot enter a contract but I always called my horse MY horse when I was a minor and my parents name was on the bill of sale and boarding contract. Hell, I still call him MY horse but my dad pays for everything except little misc. halters and fly sprays and such :/ )
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post #28 of 44 Old 07-06-2014, 03:28 PM
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So I'm getting a horse soon so I wanted to know.... Male or Female??


Is one or the other better for beginners?

What are the Pros and Cons of each?

What sex was you're first horse??

Personal experience you could share?

Well if you can help then thanks!!! All opinions are welcome as long as they are said in a respectful way..

Sorry if I repeat somethings. I'm a bit of a hurry so I'm not going to read what's been posted (should probably just skip this all). Just logged on (for the love of me I don't know why) to read a message I'll have to answer later.

1. Better for beginners. There is a little bit missing....beginners at what? (are we talking about for a first time rider. Someone who knows how to ride, but getting their first horse. Someone who's dealt with horses, but now looking to start with a new horse from scratch).

If you're just starting to ride the only gender that I'd say is virtually always a bad idea is a stallion. As I like to tell the non equine types who ask me about horses (most thinking about getting one after seeing and maybe sitting up on one of my mares). Think of a horse as a lot of muscle and power with an attitude. If it's a stallion take that equation and increase it by a exponentially by a factor of 2 (for those non math types...look it up ). They are stronger (more muscle), bigger (relative to their non stallion peers) and a LOT more attitude. I would not recommend a stallion (even a well trained one) for the "uninitiated". (that being said, I do love them and if I were a younger man and felt like dealing with it I'd own one again right now....no horse will work harder and give more than a well trained stallion that wants to do the job for you...but no horse will kill you quicker than a stallion that doesn't want to).

2. While this is not a hard fast rule. The general consensus will be that for the outright beginner a good gelding is likely your best bet (that's what my father would have told you ) and there is a lot of truth to that it must be remember, that like people, each horse is an individual so if we removed stallions from the equation (and we have...trust me you don't what a stallion if you're a beginner at ANYTHING to do with horses) you can find some mares that are better than some geldings that are better. It will depend a lot on the individual horse (but in general, all things being equal, a gelding is easier). The reason that geldings are generally preferred is that they've had a lot of their attitude "removed" (the little jokers that pump out most of the attitude enhancing hormones aren't there anymore) and as a result they also don't have the massive extra muscle mass they'd have had if they remained a stallion. Mares can (and often do) tend to have more attitude than a gelding. Basically you can look at it like a Stallion is a mare....on steroids. To generalize (always a dangerous thing to do) mares tend to have more attitude than geldings and can be a bit more challenging. As I use to point out when my father and I would be at odds over what horse is best (a mare fan vs a gelding fan ) I always pulled out my one "ace" card.....you are far less likely to find a mare that gets turned into a "plug" than a gelding (my answer to his ace card "a gelding is less likely to have an attitude problem"). His father use to find it our "discussion" quite amusing. He went to his grave with his opinion and I'm sure I'll go to my grave with mine.

3. My first horse (I'm referring to the horse I started with for training....not the first horses I ever rode or learned to ride on) was filly I was given at 14 when I returned from Germany where I spent most of my younger life. I do need to qualify that I was surrounded (pretty much "literally" not figuratively) by men who had experience in dealing with horses. Some started out life in an era when the horse was the transportation (that or walking). Automotive transportation was rare and roads were often wagon roads (I was still riding on the remains of some of those old roads back in the 70's and 80's). That being the case I'm not the best benchmark to use for a "first" horse. Considering that the second horse I was given to break was a stallion. When you have the readily available knowledge and guidance of men for whom dealing with horses was second nature it's not the same as for what most people are faced with today (mores the pity). I will say that my opinion on the horses I prefer have almost certainly been influenced by the horses I started out working with. Have I had geldings? Yes of course (remember my gelding loving father? ), but to this day I still prefer mares. My first mare was one of the best working horses we had. She could move cattle almost without a rider. Could ride 40 miles today and be ready to work all day tomorrow. Could bushwhack and hunt through an overgrown river basin. Yes, it had a LOT to do with her training, but she was a mare and always had that "I'm up to the task" and had the ready to go attitude. (but if I wanted to have a nice 20 mile ride for shear fun of riding....I'd have jumped on our TWH stallion....not as good with the cattle, but a great ride).

All that being said. If you're new to horses. Not much experience riding. Don't have experienced horse people on hand (I'm talking about experienced....not some certified "natural horse training" person who learned at some canned training Clinique put on by these NH training people who think you can "sell" how to train a horse). Then my personal suggestion (for what it's worth) would be to get a horse that is already trained (take someone very knowledgeable about the riding you plan to do and have them check out the horse). Gender will be less important than the horse itself.

If you're not new to horses and have some experience and are looking to move up to starting your first horse....I say do the same things as above .

If you have the experienced people readily available who have successfully trained more working horses than they can keep track of then with the exception of a stallion the gender won't matter, because you'll have the experts on hand to help you deal with the long list of potential issues you might encounter.

Just keep in mind what I said earlier. A horse is basically a 1/2 ton of muscle with attitude. It can hurt you. It can kill you. Read my signature line (one of many things my grandfather said) which was true 100 years ago and it'll still be true 100 years from now.
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post #29 of 44 Old 07-06-2014, 05:39 PM
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I haven't read through all the replies yet, so...

Just like those that ask which breed is best for a beginner, the answer is the same. A dead broke, been there done that horse. Breed, sex and age really don't say much about an individual horse. There are some generalizations for each but one horse can be so different from them.

With that said, I prefer mares. Some can be Mare-ish but it also has a lot to do with how they are handled. The best behavior you should expect is the worst you tolerate. None of our mares get real moody unless a gelding starts getting fresh first.

One main reason that I like mares, they are easier to clean (privates).
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post #30 of 44 Old 07-07-2014, 10:36 AM
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This thread has been really helpful for a beginner like me, I just started lessons on a TWH mare-- she is very sweet, gentle and obedient. So, like PP's have mentioned, I guess it does all come down to training.
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