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post #1 of 10 Old 10-12-2016, 04:56 PM Thread Starter
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my horse always nips and afraids me

firstly sorry for my english
my horse always is being front to me and wanting to find my hand. maybe he doesn't want to bite but always nips and afraids me. when my one hand was in his mouth, i can touch his shoulder with my other hand. but when i wanted to touch his shoulder with my two hands, he is turning to me and push me with his nose.
my horse is 3 years old male and turkish local ambling horse.
what can i do for this thing? thanks for your interests.
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post #2 of 10 Old 10-12-2016, 05:08 PM
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Sounds to me like he's looking for a treat. Do you give him any?

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firstly i bought him since 4 months. i always give him sugar and carrots when he did good things. but he always want to find something in my hands since 4 months.
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post #4 of 10 Old 10-12-2016, 05:15 PM
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if he is looking for a treat simple solution: NO more treats

my wife's horse was very lippy when we got her, and still is to some extent but no longer looking for treats as I give her a treat once per trail ride, my wife hasn't given her a treat from the hand since we bought her due to her lippyness

in general it has decreased, she still likes to try and nibble things on occasion but a stern "no" "what do you think you're doing" or "don't even try it you little _________" she KNOWS it isn't acceptable but young horses try to push the limits every now and then to see if they can get away with something

i think for the two hands on the shoulder, tie him so he can't turn his head to you so then he is used to your hands being all over him without him needing to get bored and nibble you to see what you're up to
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thanks for your advice. that time i wont give something with my hands. but at this time how can i teach something to him.
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i teach him like this. i say to him "jump" and when he is did, i gave a gift. if other video uploads and i will share too.
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Horse learn from the release of pressure. For example if you want the horse to move his shoulders over, take a finger and push on him until he moves---the movement releases the pressure if you don't follow him with your finger.

Treats are certainly fun to feed, but should not be used for training simply because the horse quickly learns to start nibbling you for a treat as you have discovered. If you want to give him a treat, put it in his feed pan---he'll quickly learn to go check his feed pan to find the treat.
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Prairie makes an excellent point. If you MUST use treats for training, use a bucket or something other than your hand. If he touches your hands, don't give him any treats. Wait until he pulls away, THEN put the treat in the bucket.
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post #9 of 10 Old 10-13-2016, 12:28 AM
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Pinch his nose HARD whenever he puts his mouth on you.
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post #10 of 10 Old 10-13-2016, 02:20 AM
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It sounds like you are quite inexperienced & have a young, uneducated horse. Therefore, the most helpful piece of advice I feel I can offer is to find someone as soon as you can, who is experienced, to teach both you and your horse! While you can learn a lot from writing and videos, there is a lot that is missed without hands-on help.

Regarding feeding treats for training, I'm of a very different opinion to most here obviously. Horses learn very well to do what works for them, from *instant* consequences, whether from reward - a gift - or from pressure and release. *However* if you do want to feed treats, you need to have definite, consistent rules for behaviour - you must teach your horse to have 'good manners', or else yes, he will do things like try to nip you, if he thinks that might work. So...

You need to work out what 'manners' he needs to learn, to be safe and practical. For eg. teach him to keep his nose tucked away from you. Regardless of whether your horse has done something 'good', you NEVER, EVER give him a gift if he doesn't keep his nose away from you. You can also use 'pressure'/punishment, such as the above suggestion, to make it unpleasant for him to do Wrong, which will stop *the instant* the horse moves his nose away, but it is most important that you don't ever allow that behaviour to work for him.

You also ask how you can teach him without 'gifts'. Pressure/release is the normal way to teach a horse to do almost everything, regardless of whether you also give him rewards. It is how they learn to move in a certain direction from the reins or lead, or from your legs when you're riding. The horse feels some pressure/pushing, until *the instant* he moves in the right direction, when all pressure is released - stopped, you don't keep pulling/pushing. For your example of jumping(I am assuming the horse has learned how to be led with pressure on the lead rope), you might start on the opposite side of the jump and pull the rope. As soon as your horse starts to come forward, you relax the pressure, so he learns what works for him.
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