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post #21 of 98 Old 10-03-2014, 02:41 PM
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Honestly, with what I have seen from animal care in that area, I would stay FAR away from local advice...

He looks good in the before picture.

I am not surprised he looks the way he does now.

Give him more (nice green type hay, not yellow). Up the feed you are currently giving him. If you can get something else great.

The owners actually seem to know what they are doing, he actually looks really good there. You shouldn't be able to see his ribs. The areas that are gaunt should have a nice roll of muscle/flesh (not fat). Honestly just keep on feeding as I doubt you will have to worry about him being fat. Be careful to make changes slowly and stay away from anything very rich/sugary.

Heat is no reason for him to lose (substantial) weight. Drought is and I know things dry up big time so he needs that much more food at the time. You should plan on giving him AT LEAST a BALE (not flake, a bale around here is 40+lbs) a day when there isn't any good grazing.

Ignore all the "extra" advice you're getting. I highly doubt anyone knows. Call up the owners, say you love him very much and want to take the best care possible but between the difficulties in the area and some inaccurate local advice you're afraid he may be thin right now (he IS he is VERY unhealthy thin) and what should you do. I don't think they will frown on you for asking them for advice. It sounds like you're doing the best you can in a hard spot so don't be too hard on yourself. Do get some PROPER advice though, research as much as you can. That body condition chart posted is excellent and will help you judge his ideal weight.
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Thanks for some great advice, I now realise that I've been listening to the wrong people so from tomorrow I'll feed him sugar beet (no bran) morning and night and give him a lot more hay (can only find the yellow type but will keep looking for alternatives). I'll order a different wormer for next time and show the photos of how his hooves should look to my gypsy farrier to see what he has to say for himself! The henneke body condition scoring was really informative and I now have a better idea of what I'm looking for. I'll post some more photos in a couple of weeks time and hopefully you will all be able to see a difference.
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post #23 of 98 Old 10-03-2014, 06:22 PM
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Sounds like you will be moving on to the right track and the horse should be looking better in short order.

Subbing to see pics in 10 days! :)
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post #24 of 98 Old 10-03-2014, 08:37 PM
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Thanks for some great advice, I now realise that I've been listening to the wrong people so from tomorrow I'll feed him sugar beet (no bran) morning and night and give him a lot more hay (can only find the yellow type but will keep looking for alternatives). I'll order a different wormer for next time and show the photos of how his hooves should look to my gypsy farrier to see what he has to say for himself! The henneke body condition scoring was really informative and I now have a better idea of what I'm looking for. I'll post some more photos in a couple of weeks time and hopefully you will all be able to see a difference.
Sounds like you'll be moving on the right track with him. Good job. When you order your dewormer, see if where you order from can sell you a good rotation pack so that you don't keep repeating the type dewormer you're using. Also, in this case, switch up to every month until he's no longer looking "potty" in his belly and his coat is shiny and not long. It should only take 3 or 4 months and then go to 2 months. Unless he is the only horse on the island, I'd stay at 2 months. IF you can get it done, it would be lovely to have a fecal egg count done on your horse's manure. If that's not possible, and IF he still looks dull and wormy in 3 months or so, we have a product called a PowerPak that is a double dose of Fenbendazole, and it's given by weight of the horse, over the course of 5 days. Since it's pretty expensive, all horse stuff is, I'd save it until I was pretty sure I needed it.

I'm not sure what types of dewormer you have available, so I'll give you a fairly typical American rotation list and you can see what you can find that will come close.

When To Dose Product (Chemical Name)
January 1: Broad Spectrum de-wormer such as fenbendazole (Panacur, Safe-Guard); oxibendazole (Anthelcide EQ)

March 1: Ivermectin 1.87% (Equell, Equimectrin, Eqvalen, Ivercare, Zimectrin), for general de-worming.

April 15: Moxidectin plus praziquantel (Quest Plus or Combo Care), to treat encysted strongyles and tapeworms.

June 15: Either double dose pyrantel pamoate (Strongid, Strongyle Care) OR single dose praziquantel combination product with either ivermectin or moxidectin (Equimax, ComboCare, Quest Plus, Zimectrin Gold), to treat tapeworms.

August 15: Ivermectin 1.87% (Equell, Equimectrin, Eqvalen, Ivercare, Zimectrin) for bots; first dose.

October 15: Ivermectin 1.87% (Equell, Equimectrin, Eqvalen, Ivercare, Zimectrin) for bots; second dose.

November 25: Broad Spectrum de-wormer such as fenbendazole (Panacur, Safe-Guard); oxibendazole (Anthelcide EQ)

I was going to mention too, it looks like your fly mask is rubbing on this guy's nose, maybe it's too tight? If it keeps rubbing you could end up with a sore.

Regarding your climate, I remember from living in Italy that it never really got cold in winter, but we did get the occasional hard frost or killing frost. Do you ever get that cold?
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post #25 of 98 Old 10-03-2014, 08:44 PM
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hang in there, and do what you can, and realize that even if he does not meet standards from half a world away, he is still , more than likely, living a better life than he might, and it's all due to YOU!
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Agree, he does need more but you are doing what you can for him. Unfortunately IME MANY Greek people (including people I know)don't see anything wrong with pretty much neglecting their pets, even when it is obvious that they DO love them. They just don't see the neglect or realize there is a different way to do things. Then you have the ones that just don't care :/. I've seen very few people with animals that I would considered "well cared for" and those are mostly in Athens.

Even if he doesn't meet my standards, or even minimum standards for many areas, he is still well taken care of by many standards. The fact that you came on an international forum with educated equine professionals and enthusiasts and asked "what do I do?" speaks volumes. So yes, he does need a lot of changes and upgrades, but you are being a great "owner" :), don't doubt that!
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post #27 of 98 Old 10-03-2014, 09:57 PM
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Glad to hear that you are going to be making some changes to his diet! Fingers crossed that he gains back that weight and starts to look like the horse he was in the first photo!

Keep us updated on your boy's progress! :)
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post #28 of 98 Old 10-04-2014, 01:30 AM Thread Starter
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Dreamcatcher, my last dose of Equinox was on 10th september, so what would you recommend that I give him next and when? His fly mask isn't rubbing him, those scars are from when he was younger. He used to be a carriage horse and was extremely neglected. He has scars all over him from the badly fitting harness and he was also hobbled - you can see the scars and where his hair has turned white in the photos. Luckily he was rescued 10 years ago now but the scars, I've been told, are permanent
Our summer is almost over but the winter is fairly mild, no frost but quite a damp atmosphere. My husband is building a stable/corral for him but also need to buy a new rug as the one that I was given is too big for him and so old that its falling to pieces. Bearing in mind that it rarely gets below 2 -3 degrees C but rains a lot, what sort of rug should I be looking for? I was thinking possibly a medium weight?
And a huge thanks for all the positive comments - I've gone from feeling distraught to thinking I can actually do this!
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post #30 of 98 Old 10-04-2014, 04:24 AM
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Sounds like you'll be moving on the right track with him. Good job. When you order your dewormer, see if where you order from can sell you a good rotation pack so that you don't keep repeating the type dewormer you're using. Also, in this case, switch up to every month until he's no longer looking "potty" in his belly and his coat is shiny and not long. It should only take 3 or 4 months and then go to 2 months. Unless he is the only horse on the island, I'd stay at 2 months. IF you can get it done, it would be lovely to have a fecal egg count done on your horse's manure. If that's not possible, and IF he still looks dull and wormy in 3 months or so, we have a product called a PowerPak that is a double dose of Fenbendazole, and it's given by weight of the horse, over the course of 5 days. Since it's pretty expensive, all horse stuff is, I'd save it until I was pretty sure I needed it.

I'm not sure what types of dewormer you have available, so I'll give you a fairly typical American rotation list and you can see what you can find that will come close.

When To Dose Product (Chemical Name)
January 1: Broad Spectrum de-wormer such as fenbendazole (Panacur, Safe-Guard); oxibendazole (Anthelcide EQ)

March 1: Ivermectin 1.87% (Equell, Equimectrin, Eqvalen, Ivercare, Zimectrin), for general de-worming.

April 15: Moxidectin plus praziquantel (Quest Plus or Combo Care), to treat encysted strongyles and tapeworms.

June 15: Either double dose pyrantel pamoate (Strongid, Strongyle Care) OR single dose praziquantel combination product with either ivermectin or moxidectin (Equimax, ComboCare, Quest Plus, Zimectrin Gold), to treat tapeworms.

August 15: Ivermectin 1.87% (Equell, Equimectrin, Eqvalen, Ivercare, Zimectrin) for bots; first dose.

October 15: Ivermectin 1.87% (Equell, Equimectrin, Eqvalen, Ivercare, Zimectrin) for bots; second dose.

November 25: Broad Spectrum de-wormer such as fenbendazole (Panacur, Safe-Guard); oxibendazole (Anthelcide EQ)

I was going to mention too, it looks like your fly mask is rubbing on this guy's nose, maybe it's too tight? If it keeps rubbing you could end up with a sore.

Regarding your climate, I remember from living in Italy that it never really got cold in winter, but we did get the occasional hard frost or killing frost. Do you ever get that cold?
Many in the Uk just worm 4 times a year with Equest and Pramox I use it rarely as it is very strong and can affect hoof sensitivity. For a rescue I would use Panacur 5 Day guard for the insisted redworm and a separate tape wormer a month later.


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