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post #11 of 23 Old 05-20-2016, 11:50 AM
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This is not the horse for you or your daughter. I'll repeat the old adage, "Green (riders) + Green (horse) = Black & Blue, not good for either side of the equation.

So, if you want to ride her, then she needs to go into full time training for probably close to a year before you can have a real clear picture of whether she'll ever be good for you or your daughter to ride.

If you're ok with never getting on her back and just letting her be a Pasture Puff, then go buy a 2nd horse that is a verifiable beginner horse and just love and pet on this one.

Or sell her and stop throwing money at her and buy a different horse.
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post #12 of 23 Old 05-20-2016, 06:29 PM
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Haven't read other replies.

I mean this as no offense to you, please do not take it as rude. However, this IS meant toward the "trainers".

1. Any trainer who would allow a "green green" rider to buy a horse that has not been ridden in 5 years, is NOT a trainer.

2. How experienced is your trainer (the one you refer to as your teacher at your barn)? If she's qualified, IMHO, she should have zero issue hopping on your horse for training. Unless she is pregnant, or has a broken limb currently, there is NO reason at all why your trainer would need to send your horse off to another trainer.

3. Do you know for sure that your horse reared twice with the "trainer" that you are paying?

I am willing to bet there's a combination of things going on here. Your "teacher" is not qualified as a trainer. At all. The "trainer" that is supposed to be training your horse, I seriously suspect that she is not doing much with your horse at all, and if/when she is, I seriously suspect that her methods are far from ethical.

You need a new trainer. ONE trainer, that is qualified to put some miles on this horse AND teach you in the process.
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post #13 of 23 Old 05-20-2016, 09:23 PM
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I asked the previous owner who said he got her from the pasture in Wyoming and he didn't know much his grandson rode and was fine but then he didn't ride her for three weeks and then he got on and was bucked off. My thoughts now I know more about dogs etc is that this horse has been left in a pasture to do what she wants and she just needs to be trained. The trainer says she worked on her and obviously my teacher in a different town believes her but I am feeling pressured into selling her without giving her a chance but then I am being told she may always revert to flipping over and that is too dangerous for my little girl in the future even with training.
If you asked history and he neglected to tell you his grandson was bucked off I would ask him to take the horse back. Didn't anyone ride when you looked at him to purchase?
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post #14 of 23 Old 05-21-2016, 08:32 PM
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I cannot "like" Beverly's post enough. Your teacher...well-you need a new one if they let you buy this horse. As for the "trainer"-I would agree that IF the horse flipped, it is likely because of the way they rode/handled it. I personally spent way too much on training my guy to know he was "safe" I know how he reacts when pushed and know I can handle it if/when he does. In other words, I know he is very "safe". I would NEVER have anything to do with a horse I KNEW reared. I would be scared they would hurt me and not enjoy it at all.

Personally, I would sell her. I am unsure as to how I would handle disclosing the flipping, since really you cannot be sure. That could be a huge liability I would think...but I am not a lawyer, so do not know. I also think that her back may be part of the issue. Bottom line is the same, unless you want a pasture puff for the kids to groom or buckets of $$ to attempt to sort this horse out.

So-you have work to do getting new teacher/trainer in your life.
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post #15 of 23 Old 05-23-2016, 11:47 AM Thread Starter
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So her sale fell through and not because of the rearing which I did disclose right from the start. I found a new trainer and I am working on getting her trained again. I would feel better to sell her after having a reliable trainer on her one that I vetted and researched to deal with problem horses. So far and it has been only two days she has been pretty good. We are working her slowly because according to this new trainer she has a stiff neck that needs to be stretched and worked on first before we do anything else. We are hoping but keeping our options open. I like this new trainer who wants me there involved in the training and in a few weeks if all goes well hopes to train both me and her. As for my daughter poor girl we will probably have to find something else for her or in a year if she is safe then we will discuss having her ride her :( I just didn't want to get rid of her on the words of someone I didn't trust and according to her own barn no one has seen her ride her. I am learning all sorts of things I didn't know and I am grateful for all your thoughts and advice which I will probably be turning to a lot :)
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post #16 of 23 Old 05-25-2016, 06:07 AM
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I think you're doing the right thing, trying the horse out with another trainer. At least give the horse a chance to see what she is like.

I've known some horses that flipped, and the trick is that you could probably get a lot of horses to go over backward if you had the right set of circumstances - i.e. lots of pain or pressure and the wrong handler or rider.
I was on a sweet, gentle, mellow horse that stood straight up on his hind legs when I put on a saddle I was told was his, to all appearances it fit him fine, but it caused sudden, severe pain in his back when I sat down on it. Now if I had pulled on the reins or unbalanced him, he could have gone over. And if someone had put that saddle on him again after that happened, he might have reacted even more severely. Bucking also can be caused by a very sore back and the wrong saddle, with horses that would otherwise never buck.

Since your vet has already described back pain, it makes me wonder what happened to cause it. Also, if your horse has come over on her back twice supposedly, I'd make sure you had her back checked out thoroughly in case there is damage that may cause pain when ridden. Landing on a saddle can cause damage.

I know another sweet, mellow horse that was put down because he went over backwards once. The poor horse had been kept in a stall with no exercise for months, due to a sore shoulder. The moment he walked soundly, he was taken out and worked on cattle for 6 hours. At the end of that time, he refused to go forward. The rider spurred and used the crop on him until the horse reared up and went over backward on the rider, who had the horse put down.

My point is that you don't know how severely your horse was treated, how poorly fitting the saddle was your horse was ridden in, or what techniques were used. I don't think you can say the horse is unreliable until you've had an opinion from your new trainer.
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post #17 of 23 Old 05-25-2016, 06:51 AM
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Are you able to stay at this new barn with new trainer? The first barn has completely let you down. She helped you find and advised buying a totally unsuitable horse, then referred you to an incompetent trainer when, as Beverleyy said, she should have been able to get on the horse herself. With the limited info we have, it sounds bit of a fishy situation.

I'm glad you have given this horse a chance with a decent trainer. And if she still is not suitable for you and your daughter she will be in a better place to attract a better type of home with someone with the experience to cope with her. Hoping for good things here
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post #18 of 23 Old 05-25-2016, 08:11 AM
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I don't know how it is in your area, but around here, many people call themselves "trainers" when in fact they're a hot mess. I would look for a trainer with some references and a good reputation.
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post #19 of 23 Old 05-25-2016, 08:26 AM
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That sounds like two weeks of non training. I would go get the horse, pay the woman 10 dollars a day for board and call it a learning experience. Then find a decent trainer.
I can train a horse and I don't call myself a trainer. A decent trainer will cost you around 600 to 800 for the month here in Florida for what it sounds that you want which is basic training. It takes more than sixty days to finish a horse in a particular disipline and it's an ongoing thing for the rest of its life.

Personally, if I were in your shoes right now, I would sell her. Not because I think she is not trainable, but because I don't think you have the means to do that right now. Horses are just too big of an animal to play around with without experience. They could kill you even if they didn't mean it.
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post #20 of 23 Old 05-25-2016, 09:33 AM
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untrainable...

We have had almost the exact thing happen...sent 8 yr old mare for training and after were told she was no better and to sell. She didn't rear but was rolling in the saddle (twice with rider)...would hardly call her a demon, just green. We have ridden our mare just fine before training, and work her in a round pen a lot...but now just stumped
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