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post #91 of 129 Old 11-09-2014, 08:32 PM
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I find this interesting! And trying to visualize. On the circle going left (her weaker side I am assuming) she is counter flexing?
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Well it wasn't a total failure, you found a good stop, even if you didn't get the turn you were looking for.

I am also thinking it didn't hurt her, remember when you are asking advice on an open forum a number of things are true

Lots of people will try and help - Some are only here to make trouble

Some people will have experience with the issue or equipment you are asking about - some will have never dealt with it, or used the equipment in question.

Some will be experienced in the discipline you are talking about - some will have experience in other disciplines.

NOT ONE of them have seen this horse, or your daughter, so at the moment the collective wisdom is just a series of opinions with not a lot to back them up Remember you came to ask how to put the bridle together, not to defend your trainers choice of bit, if you have faith in her, do not let this sway you, follow the lead of the person who is there on the ground.

Maybe if you post videos, then the right people will pop up and give you some sound advice, the trick as ever is working out which is the sound advice!
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Hmm.. only at a canter? She sounds unbalanced and unfortunately I feel at the canter a counter flex can often be encouraged. What's her training? Before you got her? I've seen this in many unfinished horses, not always green horses. The mare sounded green-ish to me?

Regarding the husband analogy, absolutely. I feel it's more common in mares. Also know several horses that just want to know what the plan is. Actually my own gelding I've never really clicked with. He's very well trained but not in "my" style. After several VERY good sessions it suddenly clicked. He wants a focus. He wants to know what the plan is. With me even if I'm focusing on one thing I usually want everything else to fall into place and I think come across as too busy even though I have focus. Maybe overriding? (Not that I do that I feel but with this horse maybe. When I work very clearly with ONE purpose, he is phenomenal, and not just on that one thing, everything else falls into place and he's just fantastic. We just have different styles and had trouble clicking. He says "just tell me what you want lady and I'll do the rest!!" wheras I was always busy saying "well I want this, but then he does this so I correct it, so keep the focus there, and why aren't you responding?? Arg now he's doing this bad habit (usually leaning)" Funny enough he still leans when he's going well, but it doesn't annoy me since he's so obviously being cooperative and not doing it on purpose, while the rest of the time.. lol
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I find this interesting! And trying to visualize. On the circle going left (her weaker side I am assuming) she is counter flexing?
Yes. When you want her to go in a left circle (counterclockwise), she bends to the right and ends up going straight instead, resisting that turn.

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Hmm.. only at a canter? She sounds unbalanced and unfortunately I feel at the canter a counter flex can often be encouraged. What's her training? Before you got her? I've seen this in many unfinished horses, not always green horses. The mare sounded green-ish to me?

Regarding the husband analogy, absolutely. I feel it's more common in mares. Also know several horses that just want to know what the plan is. Actually my own gelding I've never really clicked with. He's very well trained but not in "my" style. After several VERY good sessions it suddenly clicked. He wants a focus. He wants to know what the plan is. With me even if I'm focusing on one thing I usually want everything else to fall into place and I think come across as too busy even though I have focus. Maybe overriding? (Not that I do that I feel but with this horse maybe. When I work very clearly with ONE purpose, he is phenomenal, and not just on that one thing, everything else falls into place and he's just fantastic. We just have different styles and had trouble clicking. He says "just tell me what you want lady and I'll do the rest!!" wheras I was always busy saying "well I want this, but then he does this so I correct it, so keep the focus there, and why aren't you responding?? Arg now he's doing this bad habit (usually leaning)" Funny enough he still leans when he's going well, but it doesn't annoy me since he's so obviously being cooperative and not doing it on purpose, while the rest of the time.. lol
She is "greenish", I think. She was used as a breeder for two foals, then broken, then used by a young girl for a couple years and then left in a very small paddock with no work for over a year. She's 10, but more at the experience level of a 5 year old. But her temperament is that of an older horse, and she's "drafty" by breed (Mérens, a French mountain breed).

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You've tried it and it didn't work - but at least you can cross it off and re-think the problem. That's how I always look at things
Honestly you shouldn't be thinking the horse was in pain because I doubt very much she was - younger children than yours are competing every weekend through the summer in doubles bridles and pelhams on 12.2 ponies and not ripping their jaws off or making them look like they're in agony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCQ1b-R1tn8
Go back to the D-ring snaffle or a full cheek and look at other options.
Sometimes a few sessions with someone who does Equine physio or massage can be real help freeing up muscles that get 'stuck' when a horse has been consistently working in the wrong frame
Another thing to consider is lunging the horse in small circles to see how it bends when you remove the rider from the equation
I did have a back doctor out and she did the full workup on her. She said there was nothing wrong with her, just a little stiff. That was about 6 weeks ago or so.

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I look forward to seeing a video. As for a réléveur bit, I'd guess that is what in English is commonly called an elevator bit or a gag.
This is a réléveur:

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Ah, that is what I know as an English Gag Snaffle, I've only seen it used on very hard mouthed poor stoppers! Just as a personal choice I would take the pelham with roundings over the gag

I'm not sure how either of them help with the issue you are having, without trawling back through the thread, I'm sure you have had her teeth checked, Gibbs had issues with the bend before his teeth were done.

She is an interesting case for sure
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Interesting as I found the translation was "elevator" which is NOT what that bit is. Oh well lol.

Just wanted to add, a full cheek snaffle may be better than a D ring for her. It helps with turning.

I would do lots of limbering exercises as a warm up then walk a small circle lots of bending moving up to a small as possible while keeping the bend and letting her relax circle at a trot, then go out on a nice big circle at the canter.

You could try spiraling exercises as well.

It sounds to me like a physical and training issue. This isn't uncommon and a lot of horses just need to learn to work through it. Was the back person a vet or a chiropractor, or both? It may be worth it to have whichever didn't come out already take a look at her. I think a chiro may help more then a vet.

But I think lots of suppling/bending with a focus on "the goal is to bend" and making that clear. This will help her mentally/training wise as well as physically.
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That is the exact bit I imagined you were using. It is one of my favorite bits but not right for every horse.

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Interesting as I found the translation was "elevator" which is NOT what that bit is. Oh well lol.
My reasoning, a gag can have a head lifting action, so I think of it as type of elevator bit. However, I am not sure if it is technically correct to think or call it an elevator bit.

Yogiwick- your suggestion of suppling/bending exercises is excellent.
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