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post #101 of 129 Old 11-10-2014, 01:10 PM
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To be totally correct it called a Cheltenham gag in the UK and while a great bit if you need more brakes when you use it for schooling a horse that's got problems like this one its best to have another rein coming straight off the snaffle that you'd use for turning/lateral work.
If you ride in a double bridle you always use the 'snaffle' rein for that and same with a Pelham ridden in 2 reins - the roundings on a Pelham cancel out a lot of the leverage so not too bad
The stiffness (if there is any) would likely be muscular and related to the cheeks, poll, neck and shoulders rather than the back which is why I suggested someone who does either physio or massage
As well as ridden work to improve flexibility you can do groundwork - the carrot stretch techniques work well
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My reasoning, a gag can have a head lifting action, so I think of it as type of elevator bit. However, I am not sure if it is technically correct to think or call it an elevator bit.
Question- wouldn't the increased poll pressure of that gag actually work more for head down when engaged?
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Interesting as I found the translation was "elevator" which is NOT what that bit is. Oh well lol.

Just wanted to add, a full cheek snaffle may be better than a D ring for her. It helps with turning.

I would do lots of limbering exercises as a warm up then walk a small circle lots of bending moving up to a small as possible while keeping the bend and letting her relax circle at a trot, then go out on a nice big circle at the canter.

You could try spiraling exercises as well.

It sounds to me like a physical and training issue. This isn't uncommon and a lot of horses just need to learn to work through it. Was the back person a vet or a chiropractor, or both? It may be worth it to have whichever didn't come out already take a look at her. I think a chiro may help more then a vet.

But I think lots of suppling/bending with a focus on "the goal is to bend" and making that clear. This will help her mentally/training wise as well as physically.

I do have a full cheek snaffle we've used on her too. Interestingly, she worked better in the D-ring, but that may be because it has copper rollers which she spent a lot of time fiddling with. Maybe it kept her stubborn brain occupied and made her forget to be ornery. :)

The back doctor was a chiro, but we also had a PPE done by a vet when we bought her and he checked her back thoroughly. She has a bit of a lump on one vertebra which both the chiro and vet said was probably from an old injury of some sort but not something that should affect her riding at all.

We'll do more of those exercises you recommended. We do several of them already, but probably not enough of them. The horse is used in lessons 3x a week, so the other days are the ones we can do these exercises.

She does trot in any size circle without any issues at all. She doesn't fight it or counter-bend or anything she shouldn't. It's the cantering that's an issue for her, and more to the left than right. But this is a big improvement. She used to buck every time you asked for a canter! She hasn't done that in months now. I celebrate every bit of progress. :)

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I forgot all about the carrot stretches. ****. I should have been doing those all along.

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Poll pressure lowers the head
These bits work by pressure that raises (elevates) the bit upwards in the horses mouth and presses down on the poll
If you want to raise the head then you need to use 2 reins so one only acts off the snaffle
The Swale Pelham that faye mentioned is different because its got a loose ring on the actual mouthpiece that the bridle attaches too so no poll action - they're pretty severe but can work on a cobby type horse that pulls/resists your hands
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Never seen one of those before, interesting
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Maybe try a snaffle without a break.
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Question- wouldn't the increased poll pressure of that gag actually work more for head down when engaged?
I should have mentioned using two reins.
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One thing I would NEVER do is put a swales pelham in the hands of a child, infact i'd be hesitant to put it in the hands of most competant adults and never ever with roundings.
It needs to be very sensitivly ridden with or can cause damage
The Sam marsh is worse though!

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is what I think of an elevator bit. Your explanation makes sense though. Different languages different terms lol. "Lost in translation"
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